US SF Poser/Walt?

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considering this in the news report:
He left Afghanistan later that year and was deployed again in 2005, according to a spokesman for the U.S. Army Special Forces Command.
No! Would appear that someone in an official capacity acknowledged the fact that he was indeed SF.

Further up the article is this;
Prosecutor Michael Walleisa wouldn't discuss the case, but he filed a motion March 14 to prohibit Kellerman from disclosing any classified information during the upcoming trial in May.
Now wouldn't you think that the Prosecutor after, obtaining fingerprints during the booking, made sure a background check was done and determined the man's identity. Furthermore, why would he file a motion of that nature if he, the defendant, didn't have the ability to disclose classified information.

The second link that you posted gives the direct unit affliation of the defendant.

The third link does not provide any unit details, only that he was in Afghanistan with SF and oddly during the same time periods given in the 2 news accounts.

Again you prove that reading is one thing comprehension another.
 
#3
The (3) different posts was to give people, who were interested a chance to read them and get an idea of the numerous, (Some a litle different.) news articles and other info available on this individual. A google of his, name & companys bring up lots more data.

Second MH article:

Quote:

"Kellerman served in Afghanistan as a reservist with the U.S. Army 20th Special Forces Group, from 2003 to 2004 and again in 2005."

Here is another link, also pretty much the same stuff.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/01/apsoldierindicted070118/

My reading and comprehension are just fine. Hows yours? I see your nit-picking abilities are in good order. I didn't post any material from the SF community's discussion of the man or incident, which goes beyond what I have posted here, nor will I.

Most of the discussions on SF boards, were that typically the media reports on cases like this was that they tended to use 'Green Beret,' as well as SF soldier, when the individual was not a Special Forces soldier or was a support type assigned to A Special Forces Group, that isn't a qualified (18x) Soldier.

None of the articles report that he indeed was a qualified SF soldier and one report did say, that the individual was 'attached,' to the 20th SFG(A), which to an SF soldier, would tend to indcate, that he might indeed be a support person. Until such time as the military indicates the individual was indeed an SF soldier, he'll be considered a 'walt.'

In any case he is charged with some serious crimes and if convicted will do lots of Federal prison time and a lose all his bennies and get a dishonorable discharge, etc.

For those of you that wonder why ctauch, seems to attack or nit-pick every post that I make, apparently it is his idea of revenge, based on a previous dispute. He said in his PMs to me that he would do this, and apparently he is doing just that.

I consider his rants and nit-picking, juvenile and pretty stupid for a person of his age and experience. :thumbdown: :pissedoff:

I have nothing further to add to this thread, nor will I continue to add to those who would like to continue to nit-pick this article!

The article is just what it says and is, if one doesn't agree with, or doesn't like it or the posts, please skip the entire article and/or post your own version(s.) I will not engage, in any tit-for-tats with anybody here, over the article or its contents, etc.

Cheers!
 
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Trip_Wire said:
The (3) different posts was to give people, who were interested a chance to read them and get an idea of the numerous, (Some a litle different.) news articles and other info available on this individual. A google of his, name & companys bring up lots more data.

My reading and comprehension are just fine. Hows yours? I see your nit-picking abilities are in good order. I didn't post any material from the SF community's discussion of the man or incident, which goes beyond what I have posted here, nor will I.

For those of you that wonder why ctauch, seems to attack or nit-pick every post that I make, apparently it is his idea of revenge, based on a previous dispute. He said in his PMs to me that he would do this, and apparently he is doing just that.

I consider his rants and nit-picking, juvenile and pretty stupid for a person of his age and experience. :thumbdown:

Cheers!
You possed the question "...US Poser/Walt?" and three links. Two of which were print news reports from the Miami Hearld.

The first was the most recent (Mar 25) and the second the first news article(Mar 17). Neither of them indicated any reason to disbelieve that the person in question (defendant) was anything other then SF.

I saw in reading, comparing and comprehending the news accounts, from the same source mind you, no dissimilarities.

The report from Mar 17 was more verbose about Kellerman's assigned unit. Seeing that the reporter for the second report was the same as the first and the two reports were seperated by only a week he may have not seen the need to waste column space by repeating the unit assignment and just wrote "special forces" (since he established in the first account that it was a SF Unit), or maybe he assumed everyone reading the second, follow-up, knew which unit Kellerman was assigned to. Hell I don't know ask him, his email is in the byline and I don't really give a cr@p what the reporter thought.

The third link was an auto-bio and the facts in that match the facts in the 2 news accounts.

If you indeed have facts not in evidence beyond your initial post, and facts that you do not want to reveal; how does that make my opinion stupid or juvinile?

I responded to your post and links included in said post and nothing else.
 
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edit after the facts nice try
Trip_Wire said:
The (3) different posts was to give people, who were interested a chance to read them and get an idea of the numerous, (Some a litle different.) news articles and other info available on this individual. A google of his, name & companys bring up lots more data.

Second MH article:

Quote:

"Kellerman served in Afghanistan as a reservist with the U.S. Army 20th Special Forces Group, from 2003 to 2004 and again in 2005."

Here is another link, also pretty much the same stuff.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/01/apsoldierindicted070118/

My reading and comprehension are just fine. Hows yours? I see your nit-picking abilities are in good order. I didn't post any material from the SF community's discussion of the man or incident, which goes beyond what I have posted here, nor will I.

Most of the discussions on SF boards, were that typically the media reports on cases like this was that they tended to use 'Green Beret,' as well as SF soldier, when the individual was not a Special Forces soldier or was a support type assigned to A Special Forces Group, that isn't a qualified (18x) Soldier.

None of the articles report that he indeed was a qualified SF soldier and one report did say, that the individual was 'attached,' to the 20th SFG(A), which to an SF soldier, would tend to indcate, that he might indeed be a support person. Until such time as the military indicates the individual was indeed an SF soldier, he'll be considered a 'walt.'

In any case he is charged with some serious crimes and if convicted will do lots of Federal prison time and a lose all his bennies and get a dishonorable discharge, etc.

For those of you that wonder why ctauch, seems to attack or nit-pick every post that I make, apparently it is his idea of revenge, based on a previous dispute. He said in his PMs to me that he would do this, and apparently he is doing just that.

I consider his rants and nit-picking, juvenile and pretty stupid for a person of his age and experience. :thumbdown: :pissedoff:

I have nothing further to add to this thread, nor will I continue to add to those who would like to continue to nit-pick this article!

The article is just what it says and is, if one doesn't agree with, or doesn't like it or the posts, please skip the entire article and/or post your own version(s.) I will not engage, in any tit-for-tats with anybody here, over the article or its contents, etc.

Cheers!
None of the articles report that he indeed was a qualified SF soldier and one report did say, that the individual was 'attached,' to the 20th SFG(A), which to an SF soldier, would tend to indcate, that he might indeed be a support person. Until such time as the military indicates the individual was indeed an SF soldier, he'll be considered a 'walt.'
Read the news accounts you posted a spokesperson did acknowledge it.

He left Afghanistan later that year and was deployed again in 2005, according to a spokesman for the U.S. Army Special Forces Command.
I have nothing further to add to this thread, nor will I continue to add to those who would like to continue to nit-pick this article!

Sounds like a WAH to me
 
#6
What are you two bitches bitching about now?

My suggestion is that you get your shit sorted out, you're both getting boring. Two threads on this board now are just following you two moaning at each other.

I vote we have some impromptu milling, bare knuckles. Trip, because you're old you can keep your stick. Don't wish to be seen as being unsportsman-like.
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#7
Ctauch, Trip-Wire.

I have found your posts in the past to be generally interesting and offering a perspective based on a very different military experience from the majority of forum members.

However.

The last couple of weeks this has degenerated into a rather banal mutual bitching competion, which is BORING!!!!

Considering your respective ages and experience both of you should be above this crap - move on!
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
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No lads, please crack on.
It's a spectator sport where no-one is forced to watch - unlike soccer...

If you could agree to take it to the NAAFI Bar then the international fun police here won't bother youse.
 
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Alsacien said:
Ctauch, Trip-Wire.

I have found your posts in the past to be generally interesting and offering a perspective based on a very different military experience from the majority of forum members.

However.

The last couple of weeks this has degenerated into a rather banal mutual bitching competion, which is BORING!!!!

Considering your respective ages and experience both of you should be above this crap - move on!
Above what? The fact that an accusation of waltism was made and the supporting evidence supplied on a simple read proved otherwise? A rebuttel that was clearly stated and then a retort that turned in to a nonsensical response that even daffy duck smoking crack and afflicted with a sever case of alzheimers couldn't come up with?

Would love to take it in the NAAFI problem is Mr. Soggypants has the wit as sharp as paperbag and would not engage in a good slagging.
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
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ctauch said:
Alsacien said:
Ctauch, Trip-Wire.

I have found your posts in the past to be generally interesting and offering a perspective based on a very different military experience from the majority of forum members.

However.

The last couple of weeks this has degenerated into a rather banal mutual bitching competion, which is BORING!!!!

Considering your respective ages and experience both of you should be above this crap - move on!
Above what? The fact that an accusation of waltism was made and the supporting evidence supplied on a simple read proved otherwise? A rebuttel that was clearly stated and then a retort that turned in to a nonsensical response that even daffy duck smoking crack and afflicted with a sever case of alzheimers couldn't come up with?

Would love to take it in the NAAFI problem is Mr. Soggypants has the wit as sharp as paperbag and would not engage in a good slagging.
Start a Naafi thread, I'm sure TW will rise to challenge - and it will be more entertaining for us when the gloves come off and you can :threaten: each other no holds barred.
 
#11
Yeah, crack on - I like seeing Trip_W@nk being pulled up on his dribbling posts.

I'll be in Ctauch's corner, waving a Round 3 placard and shoving Krispy Kremes up my datehole.
 
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Alsacien said:
Start a Naafi thread, I'm sure TW will rise to challenge - and it will be more entertaining for us when the gloves come off and you can :threaten: each other no holds barred.
The only way tripe_wire could rise to the occasion is a bottle of viagra and me dressed as a vicar fondling a little boys backbottom. Other then that he would sit in the corner abusing his hoop dreaming of gay porn and trying to get it up.
 
#15
Bravo2nothing said:
What are you two bitches bitching about now?

My suggestion is that you get your shit sorted out, you're both getting boring. Two threads on this board now are just following you two moaning at each other.

I vote we have some impromptu milling, bare knuckles. Trip, because you're old you can keep your stick. Don't wish to be seen as being unsportsman-like.
Can we get this on streaming vid i would pay too watch, and with the new wahfest that is Lipo TW could have a tag team
 
#16
Tripe_W@ank have you outted the walt David Kellerman yet?

Maybe this will help:
Indeed, David Kellerman, a Special Forces "Green Beret" and Charter Member of the Close Quarters Protection Operators Association (CQPOA) agrees that phonies are a very real problem.

Kellerman says that if everyone who claims to be Special Forces or SEALs were really a member of those illustrious warrior fraternities, they would outnumber the armies of several small nations.

An exaggeration? Maybe not.

CQPOA considers phonies such a serious issue that membership in the association hinges exclusively upon member referrals followed by background verifications and an assessment of professional reputation. No exceptions.
http://sec-global.com/services/ctp/vsg/news/991000.html

Then there is this:
David Neal Kellerman, a U.S. Army Special Forces soldier, was indicted on 13 counts accusing him of illegally storing weapons and explosives and of attempting to import stolen arms into the United States from Afghanistan.[1] He was originally indicted in December by a federal grand jury on seven counts related to a cache of weapons, ammunition and explosives discovered on his boat in Fort Lauderdale
http://www.transnationalcrimesblog.com/2007/01/special-forces-soldier-accused.html

Clearly a walt :roll:

Do you have any information to impart on us from the super secret decoder ring access only SF web sites you are a member of?
 
#18
Bravo2nothing said:
Lads....I've got some mud and an old paddling pool if you want to get naked and splash about for a while?
I'm game will email a piccie of my love scud to tripe and see if he's game. What are the rules? And what determines a win? Can I slip a meaty one up his sagging hoop? Does the loser need to suck the mud from the winners bellend?
 
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To sum up this article and the way it was titled, I have the following things to say.

1.) In the title of this post, you'll notice that there was a question mark after the Poser/Walt (?)

1a.) That was placed there for a purpose. The reason being, that many people in the SF community, (to include myself.) were not sure that the person in question was a fully qualified SF soldier. One can be assigned to a Special Forces Group and serve with it, in various places around the world and still not be a fully qualified 18x MOS SF soldier. To some here that may not mean much, but to us it does!

2.) People in the SF community, are suspect of media sources, that indicate a man as being a 'Green Beret,' or SF soldier, as most in the media do not really know the difference between a soldier serving as a support person in a Special Forces Group and a qualified (18x) soldier.

The media love to use the term, 'Green Beret' or Special Forces soldier, as it creates more interest with the public and sells more papers. Such articles are always suspect, until it's confirmed by people in the SF community.

3.) In one of the articles it was mentioned that a 'Special Forces source' had confirmed that the person was in, or served in Special Forces. As far as I could tell, it didn't identify the SF source or the person making the statement. The SF community takes such cases very seriously, as it tends, ruin the good reputation of the Special Operations and SF.

4.) In some of the material on his own companies websites, he mentions that he was a Weapons Sgt. (18-B) and an on an ODA in the National Guard. Of course, if that was true, it would make him a fully qualified SF soldier.

5.) I can't find any new media releases or other data posted on the case or on the individual; however, I understand that people in the SF community, have indeed confirmed, that he was an (18-B) Weapons Sgt. SF soldier in the Army National Guard 20th Special Forces Group (ABN)

5a.) This of course, takes him out of the Poser/Walt category and makes the title I gave it here in this thread, wrong at this point. He; however, is still charged with many serious Federal felonies, for which he'll stand trial for and if convicted will serve time.

I don't intend to get in another pi$$ing contest over this post or it's content. The soldier, is a fully qualified SF soldier and the title should read US SF Soldier, Charged with Federal Crimes, etc. I have no further comments on this matter .
 
#20
Trip_Wire said:
1a.) That was placed there for a purpose. The reason being, that many people in the SF community, (to include myself.) were not sure that the person in question was a fully qualified SF soldier. One can be assigned to a Special Forces Group and serve with it, in various places around the world and still not be a fully qualified 18x MOS SF soldier. To some here that may not mean much, but to us it does!

Yada yada yada...
It sounds as though this type of topic could only be appreciated by all those high speed, low drag, ultra hooah types. You should probably keep topics of this nature from being sullied by such gutter trash as we.
 

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