US punishes aircrew

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Three colonels, a lieutenant colonel and 66 other personnel were punished following the incident at Minot Air Force Base, North Dakota, on 29 August.

Blimey
 
#4
how do you spell "scapegoat". ah yes, its "sacificed on the altar of political expediency".

yes they were nukes, and maybe the guys made some mistakes, but you fix problems by learning from them, not by simply sacking anyone who makes one.

Ski.
 
#5
You what?

It appears from the report that the only problem is that people stopped following their orders correctly.

There is no problem to fix other than giving some lazy people a big kick up the arrse.
 
#6
Speaking to a lass i know who works up in Cumbria and the three eyed fish plant i once asked her how often they make dangerous mistakes up there that could risk lives.

"Mistakes??? You don't make mistakes with things that have Nuclear in the name."
 
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fingers_1661 said:
I wonder when they'll punish any that slot coalition forces?
Slotting coaliltion forces doesn't cost some American politician votes.
 
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SkiCarver said:
how do you spell "scapegoat". ah yes, its "sacificed on the altar of political expediency".

yes they were nukes, and maybe the guys made some mistakes, but you fix problems by learning from them, not by simply sacking anyone who makes one.

Ski.
Never had a Weapon Standardisation Team visit your place of work then? lots of twitchy sphincters when they come a calling.
 
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I don't see an issue with the whole lot, as long as you can trust the fukwit flying the plane not to crash, or say "I wonder what this button does.............."
 
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smudge67 said:
I don't see an issue with the whole lot, as long as you can trust the fukwit flying the plane not to crash, or say "I wonder what this button does.............."
On first reading I was of a similar opinion. Thinking about it though most governments probably like to think that they are in control of their nuclear weapons. If this sort of thing can happen then it not impossible to lose some.

EDIT to add: Or impossible for a rather unfortunate accident to occur.
 
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smudge67 said:
I don't see an issue with the whole lot, as long as you can trust the fukwit flying the plane not to crash, or say "I wonder what this button does.............."
Teacosy syndrome - Put a soldier in a room with only a teacosy and its only a matter of time before he puts it on his head. Can be adapted to any situation. Put a soldier in room with a Grenade, its only a matter of time before he pulls the pin. Soldier in room with button ................ 8O
 
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SkiCarver said:
how do you spell "scapegoat". ah yes, its "sacificed on the altar of political expediency".

yes they were nukes, and maybe the guys made some mistakes, but you fix problems by learning from them, not by simply sacking anyone who makes one.

Ski.
Not noticing that a bunch of nukes were missing for 36 hours isn't quite the same as making sure someone watches you reversing around the hangar because someone once crashed a rover, is it?
 
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Put a squaddie in a room with a button that says "do not press," I reckon time elapsed before pressing will be 23 seconds.......longer if a Pioneer ;)
 
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Colonel Lang gets a little hysterical:
Let's say that during the three hour flight from North Dakota to Louisiana there had occurred an in flight emergency, perhaps a loss of some number of engines. Let us say that the aircraft commander decided in such an emergency to lighten the load by jettisoning things that were not permanently attached to the airplane. Presumably the first to go would have been things that did not have rocket motors or explosives attached. After that.... Well ,in the midst of an emergency, losing power and altitude would the aircraft CO not have considered "dumping" these cruise missiles over what - Kansas, maybe? After all, he did not know that these were nuclear weapons..

The government will always assure the public in incidents like this that the weapon could not detonate. It is certainly unlikely, but the vagaries of impact of such a machine on the earth makes that less than totally reassuring. At the very least, the fissile material in the weapons could be spread around in a dangerous way, and then, there is the possibility of a less than full yield detonation in a variety of ways.

The USAF and Navy kept a tight grip on these instruments of the devil for all the period of the Cold War. This awful example of neglect of duty and inattention to detail is appalling in its illustration of the dangers of complacency. pl
 
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dingerr said:
smudge67 said:
I don't see an issue with the whole lot, as long as you can trust the fukwit flying the plane not to crash, or say "I wonder what this button does.............."
Teacosy syndrome - Put a soldier in a room with only a teacosy and its only a matter of time before he puts it on his head. Can be adapted to any situation. Put a soldier in room with a Grenade, its only a matter of time before he pulls the pin. Soldier in room with button ................ 8O
Seen this with my own eyes.

"Was just wondering how easy the pins come out on Phos"
 
#17
codbutt said:
Too bad for them that they didn't strafe their allies and kill a load of guys - no-one ever seems to get carpeted for that one.
Actually they do, they just don't allow the press to make a mockery/circus out of it.

Blue on blue is taken with the utmost seriousness. I can't imagine why you would think they do not.
 
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The basic fact is that they did not check what they were carrying, the live weapons have a silver coloured war head on them for easy recognition.
so that they broke the rules, and could have caused a lot of problems. When you break the rules and get caught you have no one to blame but your self.
It appeared that all the rules were being bent to make life easier for the airmen and they were storing the dummy war heads along with the real live ones, and no one appeared to check or care where these bombs were and that is what has caused this fuss.
 

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