US Navy is starting to look for MH-60R and Firescout replacement

[Raven2008]

Hot on the heels of US Army FVL / FLARA is the Navy looking to replace the SeaHawk and Firescout Unmanned vehicle. TBh this is not new as discussed over a decade ago.

The Navy Has Begun To Hunt For Its MH-60 Seahawk Helicopter And Fire Scout Drone Replacements

The U.S. Navy is looking toward next-generation vertical-lift platforms to replace existing types starting in 2030.

www.thedrive.com

As it happened throwback to Farnborough 2016, Bell brought Their V-280 Valor mock up to their chalet at the show (my below)

Behind on the window ledge was a desktop model of Grey Naval V-280 Version with swivel wing and folding blades. No points for guessing that that be aimed, marketed to the USN...

So let’s see what lies ahead...

cheers

 

[ThunderBox]

Merlin is a shoe in.........

 

[Yokel]

Merlin is a shoe in.........

Not invented here.... However, are they not using a licence built AW101 as the next generation presidential helicopter?

I read something suggest that the US Navy will probably get a version of the replacement for the Blackhawk, rather than a purpose built aircraft designed for the naval missions it will need to perform. I wonder if the USN would like something with greater range and time of station that the MH-60R (maybe even a Naval Flight Officer?), given that there is no future carrierborne ASW aircraft on the horizon, and peer competition over the oceans and ASW are back as the main effort?

A bit of a bunfight regarding the merits of various ASW helicopters, including the value (or otherwise) of extra range/time on station and having an Observer running the tactical side from the aircraft can be found on the twelve or so pages following this post on the CVF and Carrier Strike thread.

This year's operations and exercises may well influence policies and decisions.

 

[Yokel]

@Raven2008 I wonder if you should have posted it on the CVF and Carrier Strike thread, as it would put the the cat among the pigeons. Whilst some advocate replacing Merlin HM2 with MH-60R (such as @PhotEx or @History_Man), and dark blue types such as @alfred_the_great or @Guns, or @Not a Boffin pointing out that it does not have the level of range/endurance that the Royal Navy would want, and lacks the sensor capability....

Meanwhile the USN has identified capability gaps with MH-60, and is looking for a replacement.

 

[TXSapper]

Hot on the heels of US Army FVL / FLARA is the Navy looking to replace the SeaHawk and Firescout Unmanned vehicle. TBh this is not new as discussed over a decade ago.

The Navy Has Begun To Hunt For Its MH-60 Seahawk Helicopter And Fire Scout Drone Replacements

The U.S. Navy is looking toward next-generation vertical-lift platforms to replace existing types starting in 2030.

www.thedrive.com

As it happened throwback to Farnborough 2016, Bell brought Their V-280 Valor mock up to their chalet at the show (my below)

View attachment 544758

Behind on the window ledge was a desktop model of Grey Naval V-280 Version with swivel wing and folding blades. No points for guessing that that be aimed, marketed to the USN...

So let’s see what lies ahead...

cheers

Is there no way to use Jets instead of props?

 

[History_Man]

@Raven2008 I wonder if you should have posted it on the CVF and Carrier Strike thread, as it would put the the cat among the pigeons. Whilst some advocate replacing Merlin HM2 with MH-60R (such as @PhotEx or @History_Man), and dark blue types such as @alfred_the_great or @Guns, or @Not a Boffin pointing out that it does not have the level of range/endurance that the Royal Navy would want, and lacks the sensor capability....

Meanwhile the USN has identified capability gaps with MH-60, and is looking for a replacement.

If it was as bad as all that, why have both the Danes and Australians purchased it? In your own time, carry on...

 

[AfghanAndy]

Hot on the heels of US Army FVL / FLARA is the Navy looking to replace the SeaHawk and Firescout Unmanned vehicle. TBh this is not new as discussed over a decade ago.

The Navy Has Begun To Hunt For Its MH-60 Seahawk Helicopter And Fire Scout Drone Replacements

The U.S. Navy is looking toward next-generation vertical-lift platforms to replace existing types starting in 2030.

www.thedrive.com

As it happened throwback to Farnborough 2016, Bell brought Their V-280 Valor mock up to their chalet at the show (my below)

View attachment 544758

Behind on the window ledge was a desktop model of Grey Naval V-280 Version with swivel wing and folding blades. No points for guessing that that be aimed, marketed to the USN...

So let’s see what lies ahead...

cheers

Lynx wildcat?

 

[arfah]

Harbin Z20.

It’s the future!

 

[Yokel]

If it was as bad as all that, why have both the Danes and Australians purchased it? In your own time, carry on...

I am sure that the CVF and Carrer Strike thread would be a better place to discuss shipborne ASW helicopters - or other shipborne aircraft.

Neither Australia or Denmark operate carriers - and have no need for carrier based ASW. As the thread about the seventies congressional in the studies into aviation requirements in the Atlantic notes, the USN always considered helicopters to be short range extensions of the parent ship and controlled from the CIC, the RN has considered them to be the long ASW arm of the task group.

 

[History_Man]

I am sure that the CVF and Carrer Strike thread would be a better place to discuss shipborne ASW helicopters - or other shipborne aircraft.

Neither Australia or Denmark operate carriers - and have no need for carrier based ASW. As the thread about the seventies congressional in the studies into aviation requirements in the Atlantic notes, the USN always considered helicopters to be short range extensions of the parent ship and controlled from the CIC, the RN has considered them to be the long ASW arm of the task group.

Our Merlin HM2 is designed and cleared to operate off of escorts, so your carrier point is moot. Denmark, an existing AW101 operator, chose the MH-60R. Australia wasn't an AW101 operator, but chose the MH-60R too. Neither country will be replacing those aircraft any time soon and neither will the USN.

 

[Yokel]

That will teach me to reply in a hurry. I think you will find that there was a long range carrier based mission when the Sea King replacement was looked at. Carriers, Type 23, and some RFAs.

I believe many current Australian warships are American designed, so they are configured to work with the American cab.

 

[Raven2008]

Lynx wildcat?

You are having a laugh ...Lynx Long gone and Wildcat does not fit into USN needs ...yes 5 decades ago proposed with Sikorsky to market the naval Lynx as LAMPS competition.


They want something 21st century that will (no Titanic overtures Celine Dion Herr) go on for decades , half century and be high speed, perhaps optionally manned.

cheers

 

[Raven2008]

Not invented here.... However, are they not using a licence built AW101 as the next generation presidential helicopter?

I read something suggest that the US Navy will probably get a version of the replacement for the Blackhawk, rather than a purpose built aircraft designed for the naval missions it will need to perform. I wonder if the USN would like something with greater range and time of station that the MH-60R (maybe even a Naval Flight Officer?), given that there is no future carrierborne ASW aircraft on the horizon, and peer competition over the oceans and ASW are back as the main effort?

A bit of a bunfight regarding the merits of various ASW helicopters, including the value (or otherwise) of extra range/time on station and having an Observer running the tactical side from the aircraft can be found on the twelve or so pages following this post on the CVF and Carrier Strike thread.

This year's operations and exercises may well influence policies and decisions.

My friend you are tad behind the times, HMX-1 Presidential helicopter is the Sikorsky VH-92 Superhawk. It was it was over decade and Bit when the then AgustaWestland VH-71 Kestrel was canned due to escalating costs. Yes there were handful of AW101 ASH (Amphibious Support Helo) airframes (same spec as the built for the Italian Marina to support their San Marco Marines) were at Pax River testing around 2008 timeframe. There was also a heavy US Secret Service Command Post and presence set up around Yeovil plant especially around one of the first prorotype airframes.

cheers

 

[Raven2008]

That will teach me to reply in a hurry. I think you will find that there was a long range carrier based mission when the Sea King replacement was looked at. Carriers, Type 23, and some RFAs.

I believe many current Australian warships are American designed, so they are configured to work with the American cab.

Not anymore as they had the Oliver HazaRd Perry Class frigates in the 80s and 90s

They have ANZAC frigates which based on German Meko class built by by Blohm and Voss

Frigate, Helicopter (FFH) | Royal Australian Navy

Royal Australian Navy

www.navy.gov.au

The destroyer are HoBart class

Destroyer, Guided Missile (DDG) | Royal Australian Navy

Royal Australian Navy

www.navy.gov.au

cheers

 

[Himmler74]

Our Merlin HM2 is designed and cleared to operate off of escorts, so your carrier point is moot. Denmark, an existing AW101 operator, chose the MH-60R. Australia wasn't an AW101 operator, but chose the MH-60R too. Neither country will be replacing those aircraft any time soon and neither will the USN.

It’s the mission systems and crew that’s the difference.

 

[AfghanAndy]

You are having a laugh ...Lynx Long gone and Wildcat does not fit into USN needs ...yes 5 decades ago proposed with Sikorsky to market the naval Lynx as LAMPS competition.


They want something 21st century that will (no Titanic overtures Celine Dion Herr) go on for decades , half century and be high speed, perhaps optionally manned.

cheers

I was of course having a laugh.

 

[Yokel]

I have taken my points to a more suitable place - here on the CVF and Carrier Strike thread.

 

[AfghanAndy]

Could the US not go down the Airbus route?

Airbus make some very robust, cost effective helicopters that are world beaters in reliability in demanding environments.

 

[Raven2008]

Could the US not go down the Airbus route?

Airbus make some very robust, cost effective helicopters that are world beaters in reliability in demanding environments.

Nope again ...for US won’t buy From abroad ...the UH-72A Lakota and MH-65D Dolphin dont necessarily count as frontline types if you get my drift.

New kid on the blockH160M Naval variant will replace the French Aeronavale AS565 Panther but that won’t happen for another decade and cannot see that in USN service.

NH90 is good but has issues

H225M too big and tech isn’t evolving , yes there are customers in the next 5-10 years gonna buy , I suspect more of Latin American and / or Mid East customers

i saw the 15rh or 16th H225M for Brazilian Navy albeit more support fo their Marines at Paris Air Show 2015 (my pics below)

cheers

 

[AfghanAndy]

Nope again ...for US won’t buy From abroad ...the UH-72A Lakota and MH-65D Dolphin dont necessarily count as frontline types if you get my drift.

New kid on the blockH160M Naval variant will replace the French Aeronavale AS565 Panther but that won’t happen for another decade and cannot see that in USN service.

NH90 is good but has issues

H225M too big and tech isn’t evolving , yes there are customers in the next 5-10 years gonna buy , I suspect more of Latin American and / or Mid East customers

i saw the 15rh or 16th H225M for Brazilian Navy albeit more support fo their Marines at Paris Air Show 2015 (my pics below)

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cheers

I was going to say couldn’t they just stick a dipping sensor on an Osprey.

I’ve been on a fishing trip. Sorry .