US Marines Ordered Not to Have Live Ammunition in Defending Embassies

#1
Whoever in the State Department and the White House that approved such an order should be summarily fired. Will we never learn--241 Marines, Sailors and Soldiers died in Beirut in 1983 as a result of similar orders by the Reagan administration no less. And people wonder why I have little respect for American politicians and their sycophantic appointees of either party.

http://nation.time.com/2012/09/13/whats-worse-no-marines-or-possibly-unarmed-marines/
 
#2
Bit pointless them being there without live ammunition, surely?
 
#3
Ambassadors should stick to diplomacy
" of course we are not carrying live rounds these are friendly Halal approved stun rounds :)"
Silly moo would probably belive it :)
 
#4
If that's the case, your embassy staff should refuse to serve in any country where the local police cannot be trusted to provide a satisfactory level of security.
 
#5
"US Marines ordered not to carry live ammunition while being stood outside being about as much use as a bacon sandwich at a Jewish wedding"

Whoever gave that bone order wants dropping off in Benghazi wearing bikini underwear and a Allah is a poofter tattoo.
 
#6
"US Marines ordered not to carry live ammunition while being stood outside being about as much use as a bacon sandwich at a Jewish wedding"

Whoever gave that bone order wants dropping off in Benghazi wearing bikini underwear and a Allah is a poofter tattoo.
Carrying on the theme...

"What are we supposed to use, man? Harsh Language?"
 

Grumblegrunt

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#7
cant be any worse than me quarding a half ton of pe4 in a field 5 miles from camp with an empty weapon.
 
#8
241 Marines, Sailors and Soldiers died in Beirut in 1983 as a result of similar orders
To be honest, I don't think it would have made much odds. Pretty much every American Death wouldn't have been saved by having rounds up the spout. The embassy car bomb was infilitrated by stealth, and the barracks consisted of a truck that wouldn't have been stopped by the sentries even if they were ready, it would have still ploughed in.
 
#10
Carrying on the theme...

"What are we supposed to use, man? Harsh Language?"
Much as I think whoever gave the order should be dragged naked into the middle of Cairo and given a weapon with no rounds,
aren't Marines supposed to be totally nails and capable of seeing off the infidel with their bare hands?
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
Book Reviewer
#11
Carrying on the theme...

"What are we supposed to use, man? Harsh Language?"
a pick helve and a right angled torch was all needed against pira apparently :)
 
#12
a pick helve and a right angled torch was all needed against pira apparently :)
You may have just overlooked the shock-and-awe generated by the threat of the whistle?

I hear that it is particularly effective in the counter piracy role as well.
 
#13
a pick helve and a right angled torch was all needed against pira apparently :)
Your not wrong. A trusty pick helve with some guts behind it is all you ever need in a sticky situation.

Someone in the MOD should switch on and flog some of our mothballed pick helves to Uncle Sam. After all, if they were good enough to keep the Chinese PLA out of Hong Kong I am sure they would be up to the task of swatting a few revolting wogs off the perimeter fences.

In all seriousness, if this order is gen and they have been ordered to stand guard with no lead in their pencils then I'm quite comforted by the knowledge that it isn't just British headshed that need their heads surgically removed from their own arrses.
 
#14
Don't forget the whistle on the little leather thingy, that may have allowed the whistle to be buttoned to your combat jacket.

And if you were really lucky you got a 'mostly lost' filter kit on the bottom of the RA Torch.
 
#15
From the Fox News website:

Marine spokesman at Pentagon Lt Col Chris Hughes says these reports are NOT true. This is on the record:

“The Ambassador and RSO have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. No restrictions on weapons or weapons status have been imposed. This information comes from the Det Commander at AMEMB Cairo.”
 
#16
Now were talking, whistle on a leather fob, right angle torch, pick axe helve all whilst having to wear an INIBA jacket. Remember those heavy mothers? My mate used to bowl stones at me and I used to twat them with the pick axe helve - hours of amusement.
 
#17
Tbf fairly certain if the USMC can't pull the wool over the eyes over a bloody idiot they really need to look at there NCO training.
A british sgt faced with this level of stupid would convince the stupid moo that the assorted characters in his platoon were peace loving and caring individuals who wouldnt harm a fly or use bad language while issuing everything that could go bang or was pointy and sharp:)
 
#19
Tbf fairly certain if the USMC can't pull the wool over the eyes over a bloody idiot they really need to look at there NCO training.
A british sgt faced with this level of stupid would convince the stupid moo that the assorted characters in his platoon were peace loving and caring individuals who wouldnt harm a fly or use bad language while issuing everything that could go bang or was pointy and sharp:)
Look two posts up-the USMC denies the order ever happened. Reading before posting is always a good idea.
 
#20
In fact, reading the originally quoted article and noting the fact they couldn't find the source of the story would've stopped the outrage bus in it's shed.

But lets not let the facts get in the way of the truth eh? JJH, a little disappointed to be honest, you don't normally do knee-jerk.
 

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