US Marine Kills Wounded Insurgent: Petition Online

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  1. By signing the above, I endorse that the US Army is a bunch of War Criminals who kill because of their love to kill, not because its a duty. The Soldier and others like him should be sent to the intl court in the same way the US AND its allies brought Milosovic to trial. Being a super power DOES NOT mean you are above the law, not even the LAWS U MAKE UP! If you want Others to stand up for the agreements they signed, then you too should be obliged to conform with those agreements. :evil:
  2. Say what?

    None of that is in the petition preamble.
    Care to explain your comment?
  3. NA,

    I have to strongly disagree with you on this one. This man in attempting to play dead, could have been waiting for the marines to get close enough to kill them. He made no attempt to signal that he was alive and needed help, like the other man did, who was also wounded but was not shot. The Marine who shot the injured terrorist was acting on what information that was available to him at the time, and to call his integrity and honor into question over this is unconscionable in my mind. The safety of OUR men comes first for me, especially if it comes between saving a wounded enemy or saving the lives of an entire squad of U.S. Marines.

  4. A sad state of affairs that the incident was brought to the World Media. There are always underlying factors governing what people see when viewing such an event, personal takes on the victim, soldier, whether the war is just, etc etc. At the end of the day only the Platoon or Section involved can reliably report what happened, the factors that made the incident happen. What brief were the lads given prior to debussing down the road from the place, how they were told to react, what they were to expect, what they had already encountered. to name but a few. None of which is fully documented for public display.

    67000+ signatures to the petition. If I were to sign it I would not be doing Justice to either the Soldier or the deceased Insurgent. A petition is a method of swaying thoughts, not a statement of the facts directly relating to the event. Yes there is an extract of the dialogue, but any form of media is corruptible. I am a soldier, and I would want the event judged on the merit of the facts and circumstances that wouldve led me to the actions carried out. I would wish to be judged by those who understand the thought train of a Soldier, I would want justice for myself, in my favour naturally, but I'd have a duty of care to the integrity and honour of my Corps that I have to take the rough with the smooth and allow the truth and facts to be shown in full, bad as well as good - Maybe too much Esprit De Corps there, but that's my own take on it - If I had acted in a manner becoming then I will be cleared, if not, then I would have to take it on the chin.

    Let's hope the Lad is given a fair hearing, without sway from public and political sources.
  5. My thoughts as well
  6. Sign it just to tick NA off

    :twisted: :D :twisted: :D :twisted: :D
  7. Fact, earlier in the day the young Marine in question had been wounded in the face and had witnessed members of his platoon being injured by booby trapped bodies. Other members of his company had been injured by terrorists, playing dead, detonating IEDs.
    I think we should learn the whole story before passing judgement. Me? I'm signing!

    Anyway "1939 Never Again" I suppose you also advocate the conviction of the young British soldier who is currently on trial for murdering the occupants of the car that broke through the VCP he was manning? If you haven't been closer to the action than a mobile bath unit you wouldn't understand!
  8. I like the cut of your gib young lad :wink:
  9. Just signed the petition.

    If anything it will make the powers that be, who are swayed by public opinion, realise that this cannot be tried by the media. It must be stopped otherwise the US will become as impotent as we are, thanks to our lovely PC friendly RoE.

    New Labour, don't you just love 'em :roll:
  10. Totally agree, just signed it myself
  11. Hooah, dui lai and Polyglory!

    More on those ROE and possible outcomes by Mackubin Thomas Owens, USMC, Ret.

    Clearly, a soldier who executes a prisoner, either on his own or under orders, has acted in cold blood and consequently has committed a war crime. Proportionality, humanity, and chivalry guide this judgment. But it seems to me that in the case of the Marine in question, military necessity trumped the other two conditions. He did not kill in cold blood, but responded to threatened danger in an uncertain environment. To fully convey this environment, let me reprint an e-mail from another Marine in Fallujah that I recently posted on The Corner:

    This is one story of many that people normally don't hear, and one that everyone does.

    This is just one most don't hear:

    A young Marine and his cover man cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47s and RPGs. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!" He is badly wounded, lying in a pool of his own blood. The Marine and his cover man slowly walk toward the injured man, scanning to make sure no enemies come from behind. In a split second, the pressure in the room greatly exceeds that of the outside, and the concussion seems to be felt before the blast is heard. Marines outside rush to the room, and look in horror as the dust gradually settles. The result is a room filled with the barely recognizable remains of the deceased, caused by an insurgent setting off several pounds of explosives.

    The Marines' remains are gathered by teary-eyed comrades, brothers in arms, and shipped home in a box. The families can only mourn over a casket and a picture of their loved one, a life cut short by someone who hid behind a white flag. But no one hears these stories, except those who have lived to carry remains of a friend, and the families who loved the dead. No one hears this, so no one cares.

    This is the story everyone hears:

    A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47s and RPGs. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insurgent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor (doctor)!" He is badly wounded. Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face.

    The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insurgents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!"

    The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead.

    Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for committing a war crime. Unlawful killing.

    And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, I too would have done the same.

    For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families.

    For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind, and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive.

    I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the U.S. military, or any other.

    Anyone who has ever talked to a veteran of World War II in the Pacific knows that the Japanese, like the rebels in Fallujah, were not inclined to surrender and that, on more than one occasion, they killed Americans after feigning surrender. Pretty soon, the Americans stopped making the offer and resorted to flamethrowers and satchel charges to take care of Japanese defenders.

    I firmly believe that American soldiers should carefully adhere to the laws of war, even when they engage a savage enemy — as they have in Fallujah. While it may sound strange to some, I believe the idea of restraint in war helps to civilize a brutal human activity and to limit the descent of soldiers into barbarism. But prudence dictates that we make a distinction between killing a prisoner in cold blood, and protecting oneself and one's brethren — as this Marine did.
  12. Yup!!

    Petition signed. Actually, signed it last Thursday, just never got round to saying so.

    I find it strange that people sitting at home, in their armchairs, mostly having never even been in the forces never mind in combat, can condemn this soldiers actions. Walk 1 mile in my shoes..... etc.

    Sincerely hope the PC brigade don't get their way and see this young man jailed for his totally understandable and justified actions.

  13. Second that PT

    Petition signed