US Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command

Been meeting a few former members of this unit recently at my range. I have found them to be a refreshing change from the usual marine type as they are a tad more serious, intelligent and thoughtful. A credit to their training and Corps.


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I believe a former ARRSER from over the other side of the pond has one of his lads in this unit. You'd recognise him by his facial injuries caused by catching an AK round with his jaw.
 
Been meeting a few former members of this unit recently at my range. I have found them to be a refreshing change from the usual marine type as they are a tad more serious, intelligent and thoughtful. A credit to their training and Corps.


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Can you not shorten it down a bit
The unit is referred to as MARSOC, the blokes call themselves 0372's (zero, 3, seventy two's), or Marine Raiders.

I believe a former ARRSER from over the other side of the pond has one of his lads in this unit. You'd recognise him by his facial injuries caused by catching an AK round with his jaw.
The one's I have shot with are all f*cked up one way or another and generally out on a 90% disability. The one I get on with here is a former SGT, and will now look you in the eye and swear on a bible that mine resistant vehicles are not that mine resistant - 3 crushed discs and a few other dings.
 
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The unit is referred to as MARSOC, the blokes call themselves 0372's (zero, 3, seventy two's), or Marine Raiders.
0372 is simply the USMC Military Occupation Speciality (MOS) designation for Marine 'Raiders', officially termed Critical Skills Operators. All USMC Infantry MOS's begin with an 03.

The appellation of 'Raider' for the MARSOC regiment, and the RECON Marines who served in it, became official a couple of years ago as an homage to the original WW2 Marine Raiders.
 
0372 is simply the USMC Military Occupation Speciality (MOS) designation for Marine 'Raiders', officially termed Critical Skills Operators. All USMC Infantry MOS's begin with an 03.

The appellation of 'Raider' for the MARSOC regiment, and the RECON Marines who served in it, became official a couple of years ago as an homage to the original WW2 Marine Raiders.
RECON and MARSOC are now different things. They essentially used to do the same, but then there was an official delineation of responsibility as they were starting to step on each others toe's. RECON do the sneak and peek, whereas MARSOC do the more active gunfighting stuff.

I read a paper, must have been 6 or 7 years ago now, on the reasons for the establishment of MARSOC. All the branches had a clear and distinct special operations capability apart from the USMC. The RECON lads were not considered special operations personnel by SOCOM special, rather as troops with special skills and training for tasking from and by the USMC in support of their own operational tasking.

In order to join the special operations melting pot of SOCOM they had to produce marines with skills found in the SEAL and Green Beret communities. The former SGT I know was in the first official intake, he tells me it was quite an experience going through what they call A&S (assessment and selection) on that first course. The instructors had all been mainly RECON marines who effectively put each other through the wringer to establish the baselines and expectations for the A&S phase. Most of the follow on (continuation training) courses are either standard military courses, derived from standard military courses, or specialist courses conducted with Federal agencies with a marine twist.

MARSOC is not playing the numbers game: They are still undermanned and not willing to compromise standards in order to make up numbers.
 
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RECON and MARSOC are now different things. They essentially used to do the same, but then there was an official delineation of responsibility as they were starting to step on each others toe's. RECON do the sneak and peek, whereas MARSOC do the more active gunfighting stuff.
This is true now, although it bears remembering that MARSOC evolved from Force Recon's direct action units. You are right though, since MARSOC's formation, Force Recon has gone back to its original recce/int gathering role.

I read a paper, must have been 6 or 7 years ago now, on the reasons for the establishment of MARSOC. All the branches had a clear and distinct special operations capability apart from the USMC. The RECON lads were not considered special operations personnel by SOCOM special, rather as troops with special skills and training for tasking from and by the USMC in support of their own operational tasking.
Hmm, up to a point Lord Copper. I think it would be fair to say that the USMC always regarded its Force Recon as special operations types. When SOCOM came into being in the mid-1980s, the USMC decided that unlike the other services, it would keep Force Recon (or any other specialist unit of Marines) out of SOCOM so as to retain them under purely USMC command (a 'Marines should support Marines' philosophy). The opt out was a controversial decision even then and decidedly lost favour after 9/11.
 

Redleg

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Not only that they finally relented after 9-11 when the coffers and force structure opened to SOF. They wanted to get in on the gravy train.

In reality they don't have a mission set that isn't already covered by another SOF unit and are struggling to find their niche.

Currently they are attempting to be the Army Special Force's smaller, less resourced twin
 

simbo

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There seems to be an abundance of 'special forces' in the US- everyone seems to need a piece of the cake.

Looking at their drills at the end they could get a job with United!
 

Apod

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I just finished reading Sean Naylor's book "Relentless strike" which is the history of JSOC from it's inception, post Operation eagle claw, up to 2015.It clears up the muddied waters of who does what in the US SOF community and the demarcation lines.Funnily enough though I don't remember MARSOC being mentioned as to having any role.
 
I just finished reading Sean Naylor's book "Relentless strike" which is the history of JSOC from it's inception, post Operation eagle claw, up to 2015.It clears up the muddied waters of who does what in the US SOF community and the demarcation lines.Funnily enough though I don't remember MARSOC being mentioned as to having any role.
That's because it talks about JSOC and not the wider USSOCOM.
 
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I've been on a course with then RECON Marines a few of which have moved to MARSOC and found them to be good blokes.

They were all switched on and had a good sense of humour (for Yanks). I found them generally to be more amenable than some of the US Army I have come across.
 
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I didn't say all of the US Army I've come across were shit. Just some. Same as any Corps/Regiment if you look hard enough.

The RECON/MARSOC blokes were all good though.
 

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