Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by crabtastic, Dec 12, 2005.
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Mary-mother-of-Christ...how could this possibly have been approved? What, does FedEx not make pickups from Iraq?
So there was truth in the stories so fervently denied.
How absolutely awful. I appreciate this may have been the most expeditious way to repatriate the remains, but where is the respect?
They deserve to Rest in Peace with dignity
It beggars belief that some REMF would put the remains of a fellow soldier as freight!!
What in the name of sanity were they thinking??
Respect where it is due and earned.
MOD have been sending bodies as freight for years, when servicemen die overseas, other than on ops when the process is handled by mil pers throughout. Once the paperwork is completed the whole thing is handed over to a contracted freight agent and the coffin, wrapped in hessian, is returned as freight. On arrival at the UK airport the coffin has to be cleared by customs, and is often taken in an undertaker's van rather than a hearse.
I really don't have a problem with this. My father died abroad some years ago with his family around him. His body came back to the UK on a passenger flight as cargo and was taken to the funeral home. His body was treated with respect from the moment he died to his cremation. Travelling is not the problem here; it is how the bodies of the soldiers coming home are met and dealt with. An 'honor guard' is great but at the least it should be a pukka funeral company with a proper hearse. The funeral is a personal thing and can be the full military works or just a family occasion. We're looking for dignity here.
p.s How do you think those soldiers you knew who died on Ops or in accidents got back to the UK from Ulster, BAOR and places east?
The story is crap. The remains fly in from the sand box on a C-17 to Dover AFB. The remains are offloaded and transferred to the mortuary unit where the bodies are prepared. When the remains are ready a Casualty Assistance Officer escorts the remains on a civilian flight to the location where the remains are to be buried. He supervises the loading of the aircraft then goes to his seat. The funeral parlor picks up the body and again the officer supervises the transfer. This officer meets the family and coordinates the burial arrangements. After the funeral the officer returns to his home.
Here is an article by LTC Stroble USMC that escorted the remains of a Marine killed in Iraq. It gives you a better idea of how this works.
Actually, this is true my best friends friend works at Glasgow airport checking the comercial freight 747's and hes says they are full of bodies brought back from Iraq on route to the States.
The article is a complete and utter non-issue. The story was picked up by Boxer, who is about as anti-Bush a politician as exists in the US, and completely blown out of all sense of reality, and is being rather poorly received by US servicemen. (The article, not the topic)
After all, how else is a body going to get from A to B? Are they going to prop it up in a first class seat next to the escort? "Sorry sir, please don't mind the body bag across the aisle. Would you care for some peanuts?"
When it gets to the other end, there's almost always a local military honour guard to pick it up. The escort gets off the aircraft first, the pall bearers take the casket to the hearse, and they go off to the funeral home. I've done a number of these.
I'm not so sure about the bodies going via 747 in Glasgow though. They almost invariably fly C-17 or C-5 to Dover.
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