US General fired in Afghanistan

#3
Methinks ol' mate missed the class on Political Decorum 101 and just 'shot from the hip'. Yes, we all think it, but, for the purpose of career enhancement one must shut mouth and become - Pavlov's Dog, a case of yap when I tell you to yap.
 
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Mark The Convict

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#4
Perhaps he decided that his pension and post-service career prospects (as a lobbyist in the military-industrial complex, no doubt) were secure enough for him to say what he really thought.
 
#5
Or maybe a reflection that even at the very top of the tree they have finally had enough?

All Karzai is doing is trying to prolong his life expectancy post withdrawal.

'Sorry Terry a nasty big American boy made me do it. I tried to stand up to him, honest!'
 
#7
So maybe it wasn't the 'slip of the tongue' that it seems to be.
There seems to be a trend at the moment for 'forthright' comments from the senior military (see Mike Mullen's latest offering).

Is the Military manoeuvring itself prior to the Presidential elections or is Obama letting them do his Foreign relations dirty work?
 
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#8
The latter, I suspect. Wouldn't such things be better said by diplomats behind closed doors, or is this a sign that the yanks have given that up as a bad job?
 
#9
There does seem to be a renaissance in senior commanders speaking in plain text, causing grief to their political masters. I for one support it, not that this big bushy eyebrowed shiny black nosed beagle really counts for anything.
 
#10
Political decorum doesn't enter into it. Yes, his statement is correct, but if he fucks off the Afghans and they can't trust him not to publicly make them look like the clueless twunts they are, then it's going to be impossible for him to do his job. Simple.
 
#11
Political decorum doesn't enter into it. Yes, his statement is correct, but if he fucks off the Afghans and they can't trust him not to publicly make them look like the clueless twunts they are, then it's going to be impossible for him to do his job. Simple.
I relate his job as something akin to herding epileptic cats.
 

seaweed

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#12
Who's the creep who said 'The Afghan people are an honourable people'? Surely this is not based on observation?
 
#13
Despite the fact that what he said about the Afghan leadership is true, as a high ranker he needs to be aware of the political sensitivities. He must also remember, it was the yankees that put Karzai in his current position.

I love these bits

Gen Fuller also said that he tried to make Afghan generals understand that the US was involved in Afghanistan despite economic uncertainty at home.
It was the US's choice to start the war in Afghanistan and drag as many people in it, so he should wind his neck in about that.

"They don't understand the sacrifices that America is making to provide for their security."
Politico have reported that the general appeared to be irritated when referring to a recent comment made by Mr Karzai - that Afghanistan would side with Pakistan if the country ever went to war with the US.
"Why don't you just poke me in the eye with a needle! You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, we just gave you $11.6bn (£7.2bn) and now you're telling me, 'I don't really care?'" Gen Fuller said.
Yanks seem to think they do countries a favour when they invade them. What they don't understand is that Afghanistan did not ask to be invaded and occupied or ask for the $11.6 that the US allegedly gave them. They also are quite active in seeing how much they can take out of Afghanistan (in minerals etc), so are effectively trying to groom it.
 
#14
has anyone stopped to consider the guy did it as a quick way to get home, making your position untenable publicly is probably the fastest way to garantee re-assignment to civi street
 
#17
This proves beyond all doubt that the generals political masters have a "gagging" policy in effect.

If his fellow generals have any scruples, they should all walk out in disgust regarding their leaders current administration policy.
 

seaweed

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#18
Generals are public servants and like any other employee stand to be fired if they publicly discredit their employer. It's even worse when they are right.
 
#20
I'd say it's exactly his place. It's men from his army who are fighting and dying. It would be nice if a few more of our grown ups would have the backbone to tell the truth before they hand their 1157 in.
Exactly. The general is the commander in the field, and it is his show.

I admire the generals honesty in the matter any day to some Political freak's cover up bullshit and lies.
 

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