US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran

#1
US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran
Sunday Telegraph
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America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.

In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions.

The operations are controversial because they involve dealing with movements that resort to terrorist methods in pursuit of their grievances against the Iranian regime.

In the past year there has been a wave of unrest in ethnic minority border areas of Iran, with bombing and assassination campaigns against soldiers and government officials.

Such incidents have been carried out by the Kurds in the west, the Azeris in the north-west, the Ahwazi Arabs in the south-west, and the Baluchis in the south-east. Non-Persians make up nearly 40 per cent of Iran's 69 million population, with around 16 million Azeris, seven million Kurds, five million Ahwazis and one million Baluchis. Most Baluchis live over the border in Pakistan.

Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph.

His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."
 
#2
Like this maybe?



TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- A car bomb ripped through an Iranian military bus in the southeastern Iranian border town of Zahedan Wednesday morning, leaving at least 11 dead and 31 wounded, state-run Iranian news agency IRNA reported.

A witness told IRNA the car blew up as soon as the bus, which belonged to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, arrived to pick up military personnel at a barracks.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/14/iran.bombing/index.html
 
#3


Yeah, I know.

So, I guess harping on about Iranian influence in Iraq or state sponsorship of terror might be a little... shall we say... hypocritical?

Or we should take them at their word and demand that Bush & Cheney overthrow themselves. I dare say it's task they're just about capable of managing without causing chaos over a region of the globe.
 
#4
They just don't fcuking learn do they?


How many times has underhanded meddeling bitten the US in the arse?

If they had at least a basic grasp of what they were doing, it wouldnt be half as bad but they have proved on many occasions they are clueless to how other countries and cultures tick.
 
#5
crabtastic said:


Yeah, I know.

So, I guess harping on about Iranian influence in Iraq or state sponsorship of terror might be a little... shall we say... hypocritical?

Or we should take them at their word and demand that Bush & Cheney overthrow themselves. I dare say it's task they're just about capable of managing without causing chaos over a region of the globe.

Don't know what you mean Crab, but if Bush and Cheney's recent record in the Middle east is anything to go by, then I would not trust them further than I can throw them.
 
#6
The Iranians fund and supply the crazies in Iraq, the US turns around and funds the nut-jobs in Iran right back at them. On the face of it seems like poetic justice to me. But like Flashy said, this type of activity does seem to have the rather nasty habit of turning around and biting one on the arse in the end. Plus you lose all control of what they do with the supplies you give them once its been handed over, so if they decide to bomb a bunch of civillians with it rather than just Revolutionary Guards you're pretty much screwed.
 
#7
They do seem to have some unhappy elements in the islamic people's paradise.

http://en.baztab.com/content/?cid=831

Ten Killed in IRGC Helicopter Crash
Some sources cited technical problems as the cause of the explosion. But certain terrorist organizations claimed that the helicopter exploded after they targeted it with US made SA-7 rockets.
A helicopter of the Islamic Revolution's Guards Corps (IRGC) crashed northwest of Iran on Friday in which two IRGC commanders and eight forces were killed.

The helicopter was on a mission at Khoy region, East Azarbaijan province, where it had to make an emergency landing immediately after which it was exploded. All IRGC forces on the board including two commanders were killed instantly.

Some sources cited technical problems as the cause of the explosion. But certain terrorist organizations claimed that the helicopter exploded after they targeted it with US made SA-7 rockets.

Saeed Ghahhari, commander of the 3rd army of IRGC and Brigadier Hanif Dorosti were among those killed.

Meanwhile, clashes have been reported between the Iranian military forces and PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) separatists in Jahannam-darreh, near Khoy, in the past two days during which some 20 PKK terrorists have reportedly been killed.

Last week, a driver of a PKK leader revealed that the US military commanders are in contact with leaders of the PKK terrorist group which is in the US State Department's list of terrorist organizations.

BAZTAB – Feb. 24, 2007

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From BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6393151.stm

The Iranian military has killed 17 rebels in the north-west of the country, state media have reported.

A unit of Revolutionary Guards attacked the rebels in a remote area near the Turkish border, IRNA news agency said.

A military helicopter involved in the operation crashed in bad weather, killing a Guards commander on board, Fars news agency reported.

There have been previous clashes in the area between Iranian security forces and militants linked to Kurdish groups.

"The Revolutionary Guards besieged these elements and started neutralising them," IRNA quoted a Guards commander as saying.

"In this operation at least 17 mercenary anti-revolution elements were killed and some were injured."

'Seeking insecurity'

Fars said that a Revolutionary Guards commander named Saeed Ghahari was killed in the helicopter crash, in West Azerbaijan province.

IRNA blamed the crash on bad weather.


West Azerbaijan province borders both Turkey and Iraq.

The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Yayha Rahim, blamed foreign countries for trying to stir up unrest in Iran's border regions.

"Enemies headed by the United States, Britain and the Zionist regime [Israel] who have had their goals defeated in the region are seeking insecurity in some border areas," Mehr news agency quoted Mr Rahim as saying.

The past two years have seen a rise in violent incidents in a number of regions inhabited by Iran's minorities, amid complaints of government oppression, discrimination or political or economic neglect, says the BBC's regional analyst Pam O'Toole.

A bomb attack on 14 February in south-east Iran killed 13 Revolutionary Guards in the majority Sunni city of Zahedan.

Last year also saw angry demonstrations by ethnic Azeris in Azerbaijan province, while in 2005 there was a wave of protests in Kurdestan province.
 
#8
Brick said

The Iranians fund and supply the crazies in Iraq, the US turns around and funds the nut-jobs in Iran right back at them. On the face of it seems like poetic justice to me. But like Flashy said, this type of activity does seem to have the rather nasty habit of turning around and biting one on the arse in the end. Plus you lose all control of what they do with the supplies you give them once its been handed over, so if they decide to bomb a bunch of civillians with it rather than just Revolutionary Guards you're pretty much screwed.
You mean like the Afghanis and Iraqis are using the same tactics (and weapons) we supplied them during the '80s against us?
 
#9
tomahawk6 said:
They do seem to have some unhappy elements in the islamic people's paradise.

http://en.baztab.com/content/?cid=831

Ten Killed in IRGC Helicopter Crash
Some sources cited technical problems as the cause of the explosion. But certain terrorist organizations claimed that the helicopter exploded after they targeted it with US made SA-7 rockets.
A helicopter of the Islamic Revolution's Guards Corps (IRGC) crashed northwest of Iran on Friday in which two IRGC commanders and eight forces were killed.

The helicopter was on a mission at Khoy region, East Azarbaijan province, where it had to make an emergency landing immediately after which it was exploded. All IRGC forces on the board including two commanders were killed instantly.

Some sources cited technical problems as the cause of the explosion. But certain terrorist organizations claimed that the helicopter exploded after they targeted it with US made SA-7 rockets.

Saeed Ghahhari, commander of the 3rd army of IRGC and Brigadier Hanif Dorosti were among those killed.

Meanwhile, clashes have been reported between the Iranian military forces and PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) separatists in Jahannam-darreh, near Khoy, in the past two days during which some 20 PKK terrorists have reportedly been killed.

Last week, a driver of a PKK leader revealed that the US military commanders are in contact with leaders of the PKK terrorist group which is in the US State Department's list of terrorist organizations.

BAZTAB – Feb. 24, 2007

________________________________________

From BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6393151.stm

The Iranian military has killed 17 rebels in the north-west of the country, state media have reported.

A unit of Revolutionary Guards attacked the rebels in a remote area near the Turkish border, IRNA news agency said.

A military helicopter involved in the operation crashed in bad weather, killing a Guards commander on board, Fars news agency reported.

There have been previous clashes in the area between Iranian security forces and militants linked to Kurdish groups.

"The Revolutionary Guards besieged these elements and started neutralising them," IRNA quoted a Guards commander as saying.

"In this operation at least 17 mercenary anti-revolution elements were killed and some were injured."

'Seeking insecurity'

Fars said that a Revolutionary Guards commander named Saeed Ghahari was killed in the helicopter crash, in West Azerbaijan province.

IRNA blamed the crash on bad weather.


West Azerbaijan province borders both Turkey and Iraq.

The head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Yayha Rahim, blamed foreign countries for trying to stir up unrest in Iran's border regions.

"Enemies headed by the United States, Britain and the Zionist regime [Israel] who have had their goals defeated in the region are seeking insecurity in some border areas," Mehr news agency quoted Mr Rahim as saying.

The past two years have seen a rise in violent incidents in a number of regions inhabited by Iran's minorities, amid complaints of government oppression, discrimination or political or economic neglect, says the BBC's regional analyst Pam O'Toole.

A bomb attack on 14 February in south-east Iran killed 13 Revolutionary Guards in the majority Sunni city of Zahedan.

Last year also saw angry demonstrations by ethnic Azeris in Azerbaijan province, while in 2005 there was a wave of protests in Kurdestan province.
OK, I probably already know the answer to this but, T6, do you actually have a point or are you just gloating? Do you think that this sort of nonsense helps the cause of bringing stability and peace to the region?

Let me put it another way, what would have been Americans' likely reaction if it was discovered that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were receiving support from the French? Would they have rallied to the French flag?

The Iranian people are all too aware which groups are carrying out terror attacks. They know who's supporting them and they know that the groups are reliant on that overseas support because they have no constituency within Iran. They know that the satellite tv pictures from propaganda services such as Melli TV, based in Southern California, is paid for by the US govt and operated by Iranian emgirees in Los Angeles (basically the Shah's people) who fcuked off with suitcases full of cash and numbered bank accounts in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland when the Revolution came. (For those of you that don't know- 1/3 of the residents of Beverly Hills are actually from Iran, or are the childrens of Iranian immigrants. There was a big stink last week when the City of Beverly Hills started printing voter information booklets in Persian.)

It's the Iraqi National Congress all over again.
 
#10
Crabtastic asked:


Let me put it another way, what would have been Americans' likely reaction if it was discovered that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were receiving support from the French? Would they have rallied to the French flag?
We would have got the Brits to blindly rally behind us and then we would have embarked on a campaign to take the Eiffel Tower. Then we would have declared "Mission Accomplished" as the bombs kept falling on our positions.
 
#11
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Meaning if Iran wants to play in Iraq then they must expect that the US will return the favor. We dont want to invade Iran and it would be wonderful if the people liberated themselves thus solving alot of problems.
 
#12
tomahawk6 said:
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Meaning if Iran wants to play in Iraq then they must expect that the US will return the favor. We dont want to invade Iran and it would be wonderful if the people liberated themselves thus solving alot of problems.
You've been at it for years, you ignorant moron, with the same degree of success that you're currently having- i.e. none. All you're doing is pushing people away and to Ahmadinejad. Why in God's name would any sane person run to the side of someone who is sowing the seeds of mayhem in their country?

As always, the exile groups have overstated their power and influence in return for money and support. The groups you are funding have NO POLITICAL CONSTITUENCY within Iran. The people behind them are the same plutocrats that the Iranian people rose up en masse to overthrow in 1979. I know a fair number of them- even worked with a couple. I've taught hundreds of their kids in the last few years (there are 600,000 Iranians living in LA) and they are every bit as nutty as the Cubans- but much richer. Politics aside, they're not entirely a bad bunch- apart from things like they have no concept of money, the amount of cologne they wear stings your eyes at 15yds and their gold jewellry keeps getting stuck in their chest and back hair (guys and girls).

It would be like deciding to sponsor the Marxist INLA in Northern Ireland in the belief that the Catholics in the nationalist community would rally to their side and they could unite Ireland. All it's doing is causing more trouble.
 
#14
tomahawk6 said:
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Meaning if Iran wants to play in Iraq then they must expect that the US will return the favor. We dont want to invade Iran and it would be wonderful if the people liberated themselves thus solving alot of problems.
Christ, we did this once before in Afghanistan. Results; OBL and the Taliban.
 
#15
tomahawk6 said:
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Meaning if Iran wants to play in Iraq then they must expect that the US will return the favor. We dont want to invade Iran and it would be wonderful if the people liberated themselves thus solving alot of problems.
I admire your optimism, but truth be told, we can not attack Iran because we cannot afford the consequences. Even Dubya, with all his ignorant might, knows it would be disastrous to go to war against Iran which promises not to roll over and play dead like Iraq did.
 
#16
tomahawk6 said:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Deal with it. Two can play the asymetrical warfare game. As Iran has discovered proxy war works.
Now pay careful attention. Get a grown-up to read it to you if possible. In words of two syllables or less, I am going to try to explain it to you again:

It is NOT GOING TO WORK. This is because:

1. Nobody in Iran likes the people Aunt George and Uncle Dick have decided to help.

2. People don't like other people who speak with funny accents, use strange words, like other kinds of god and who insist on blowing other people up.

3. Because there are people from outside helping these people blow other people up, the people getting blown up will turn to their leaders to make them safe. Most often they will roll over and do what their leader asks of them no matter how stupid it would seem to others- just like after 9/11.

4. By backing people that blow other people up, you make yourself look just like the people you are fighting. This makes others think you are either lying sacks of sh1t or batshit crazy. Either way, no-one will want to be your friend any more.

Does that help make things clearer? Good. Now drink your milk, eat your cookies, brush your teeth and go to bed. Don't forget to say your prayers.
 
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#19
Devil_Dog said:
You mean like the Afghanis and Iraqis are using the same tactics (and weapons) we supplied them during the '80s against us?
US supplied AKs, and "after they targeted it with US made SA-7 rockets." - to quote T6s Baztab llink.
 
#20
tomahawk6 said:
The attacks have only been against the IRG and not against the Iranian Army.
I tell you what. We're going to play a little game they teach the professional students at the Kennedy School of Government to test how strong one's presumptions are when making decisions. It's called bets and odds. It's nice and simple. Ready? Here we go...

1.) How much of your own money would you be willing to bet on the prospect of mainstream Iranians joining ethnic minorities and emigree groups bought and paid for by the United States?

Bonus Question:

A.) Do you even know what the desired outcome of the campaign is? Or could it be that the US, yet again, has employed a "let's do something" strategy without giving any thought to what might happen if it even works, let alone backfires.
 

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