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US floats nuclear subs option for Australia

#1
US floats nuclear subs option

The United States has indicated for the first time it would be willing to lease or sell a nuclear submarine to Australia in a move that will inflame tensions with China and force the Coalition to declare its policy on *bolstering regional defence.

US Ambassador to Australia *Jeffrey Bleich told The Australian Financial Review yesterday that whichever option Canberra pursued as a replacement for its Collins class submarines, Washington viewed *Australia’s subs program as crucial to security in the Asia-Pacific region.
US floats nuclear subs option
Things are hotting up in the Pacific rim.

US is to have a base in Darwin.

And recently there was a standoff with the Philippines and China.

Apart from the problems of Vietnam and China.

One wonders what is the endgame.
 
#3
I wonder whether offering Astute to them might bring a bit of cash into the UK and help keep Barrow busy until we eventually decide what we want our nuclear deterrent to look like?
 
#6
Things are hotting up in the Pacific rim.

US is to have a base in Darwin.

And recently there was a standoff with the Philippines and China.

Apart from the problems of Vietnam and China.

One wonders what is the endgame.



“All options are being considered other than nuclear propulsion which the government has ruled out.”
 

Guns

ADC
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Book Reviewer
#10
I think it might be against US law for (military) nuclear reactor technology to be passed to a foreign nation. Back in the day when I had the misfortune to do ASW (slow and dull warfare) it was a hot topic with my RN/RAF team and the USN team.

We could offer them some half decent S or T class boats we have knocking around. Few minor dints but nothing you couldn't hammer out.
 
M

Mr_Tigger

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#11
Why don't they just buy one off us?
Because last time we tried to sell Australia a naval vessel the dirty dagos gave us need of it. Selling them a sub would be inviting the Argies to have another go. What is worse, this time around we don't even have harrier!
 
#13
Running a fleet of SSN's requires more than just a few jetties. There are facilities and associated costs related to managing and disposing of nuclear reactors which go far beyond those required for SSK's. Almost certainly a non-started for Oz unless they fully bought into the USN support system.

Incidentally the UK's first SSN, Dreadnought, had a US made reactor and subsequent designs right up to the T-boats had reactors based on this, which meant the US could prevent them being exported (we tried to sell T-boats to Canada in the 1980s). Astute's reactor is wholly UK but the rest of the boat required significant US design input due to serial incompetence by BAE/MoD.
 

Bouillabaisse

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#14
Astute's reactor is wholly UK but the rest of the boat required significant US design input due to serial incompetence by BAE/MoD.
Incompetence and prevarication by the government, not by BAE or MOD. Procurement of Astute was delayed by politicians for political reasons despite BAE and MOD both telling them that the longer they delayed the more skills would be lost. And lo - it came to pass that no one in Britain remembered how to build a submarine when one was wanted and BAE had to pay Electric Boat a lot of money to remind them.
 
#15
Ha, there's no support for SSNs in Australia, the politics are totally against it. There is also no nuclear industry or other infrastucture apart from a small reactor used to produce medical isotopes. Then there's the question of where to base them, Fleet Base East = Sydney! SSNs in Sydney Harbour, a guarantee for the party supporting it to lose most NSW seats in Federal parliament, megabrave decision minister. Great joke only a mentally retarded spam in Washington totally out of touch with Aust political reality could have dreamt that one up.
 
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Incompetence and prevarication by the government, not by BAE or MOD. Procurement of Astute was delayed by politicians for political reasons despite BAE and MOD both telling them that the longer they delayed the more skills would be lost. And lo - it came to pass that no one in Britain remembered how to build a submarine when one was wanted and BAE had to pay Electric Boat a lot of money to remind them.
Fear not, now we're dragging the balls out of the Astute builds to retain the skills for Trident replacement and paying through the nose for the boats.
 
#18
Apart from any other issues, the journals and their talk of the RAN going nuclear forget one very crucial thing..... Manpower.

The RAN has barely enough people to keep 2~3 Collins boats operational, and they have small crews of 58 that don't need kettle watchers. A Virginia Class SSN has a crew of 135.
 
#20
No, that would be too ****ing easy. Much better to piss billions up against the wall and buy the Collins class mk2...
I think you'll find they will want an off the shelf turnkey solution this time. And don't forget, some of the problems with the Collins boats was because the Yanks insisted on data diode between their supplied bits and the Euro bits.
 

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