US F-35B Lightning (Video)

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#2
Nice.

Why do Yanks always refer to the Harrier as the "British Harrier"? I was under the impression the modern American designed and built harriers were very different to the British Harriers and SHars.
 
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chocolate_frog said:
Nice.

Why do Yanks always refer to the Harrier as the "British Harrier"? I was under the impression the modern American designed and built harriers were very different to the British Harriers and SHars.
You should be glad that they're giving credit to somebody else for once and are not saying that it was Bruce Willis who stole the designs from the Germans in Vietnam. :wink:

You're right that the Harrier II was chiefly a McDD deisgn, but it's important to remember that the whole aircraft, like its predecessor, is built around the Bristol/Rolls Royce Pegasus. It provides the oomph to required to get the aircraft airborne and the means of control (through the RCS) at slow speeds and in the hover- something the F-35 prototypes are having real problems with, IIRC due to it being fatter and lazier than a 400lb Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster.
 
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Why didn't we just update Harrier and re-run a production line to modernise the existing V/STOL aircraft instead of getting an expensive, and still to be tested STOVL aircraft?
 
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As usual crabtastic has nothing good to say about the US and/or it's technology. Or very little else American for that matter.

Of course, I'm not a Crab, so perhaps he knows more about this fighter "having having real problems with, IIRC and/or being in his words " due to it being fatter and lazier than a 400lb Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster."

The video that I posted seems to disprove, such an analogy and a quick google search fails to come up with anything like that except for an engine failure on an initial test.

I also find it hard to believe that the USAF, US Navy, USMC and the RAF would be ordering an aircraft that is compared to a "400 lb. Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster." But what do I know? I'm only a former Infantry type.

Some Interesting reading along with the failed engine report."

F-35 tests shouldn't be delayed, Lockheed official says

Initial flight tests of the second F-35 joint strike fighter should not be delayed much despite the failure of an engine during tests earlier this week, a senior Lockheed Martin official said Friday.

If all goes well, the F-35B Lightning II aircraft – the first capable of short takeoffs and vertical landings (STOVL) – should begin conventional flights before the end of June, close to the original schedule.

After extensive discussions with Pratt & Whitney and Pentagon officials this week, Dan Crowley, Lockheed executive vice president for the F-35, said program managers don’t believe the engine problem will cause serious delays in the overall flight testing schedule.

Link:

http://www.star-telegram.com/business/story/463056.html

Other Links:

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jsf/

http://www.deagel.com/Strike-and-Fighter-Aircraft/F-35B-Lightning-II_a000547003.aspx
 
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Trip_Wire said:
I also find it hard to believe that the USAF, US Navy, USMC and the RAF would be ordering an aircraft that is compared to a "400 lb. Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster." But what do I know? I'm only a former Infantry type.
The RAF are not ordering the F35b they are ordering the JSF (different aircraft) along with other fcukers in europe.
I know this because me old dear works for rolls royce, who are building the engine.
 
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Green_Garfield said:
Trip_Wire said:
I also find it hard to believe that the USAF, US Navy, USMC and the RAF would be ordering an aircraft that is compared to a "400 lb. Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster." But what do I know? I'm only a former Infantry type.
The RAF are not ordering the F35b they are ordering the JSF (different aircraft) along with other fcukers in europe.
I know this because me old dear works for rolls royce, who are building the engine.


The F35 is the Joint Strike Fighter, its called that as its a joint venture between nations. The engines are being made in partnership with General Electrics (GE) and Rolls Royce.

We used to call it the 'Joint Strike Fighter' but then the aircraft was given the designation 'F35' and we now call it this, there are 3 variants, the F35A which is the conventional aircraft, the F35B which is the STOVL and the F35C which is the Carrier Variant.
 
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Argee2007 said:
Green_Garfield said:
Trip_Wire said:
I also find it hard to believe that the USAF, US Navy, USMC and the RAF would be ordering an aircraft that is compared to a "400 lb. Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster." But what do I know? I'm only a former Infantry type.
The RAF are not ordering the F35b they are ordering the JSF (different aircraft) along with other fcukers in europe.
I know this because me old dear works for rolls royce, who are building the engine.
The F35 is the Joint Strike Fighter, its called that as its a joint venture between nations. The engines are being made in partnership with General Electrics (GE) and Rolls Royce.

We used to call it the 'Joint Strike Fighter' but then the aircraft was given the designation 'F35' and we now call it this, there are 3 variants, the F35A which is the conventional aircraft, the F35B which is the STOVL and the F35C which is the Carrier Variant.

Ok! Perhaps our resident know-it-all CRAB can enlighten us on this. :roll:

How about the Royal Navy? The one article mentions them, as ordering them.
 
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I can start with teaching you the difference between "know" and "no", you dull cnut. After that, I can tell you the difference that an "X" and and "F" designation makes on US aircraft.

Once you have the basics of the alphabet and the English language down, maybe then someone will see fit to point out the difference between a technology demonstrator and an operational aircraft and what's required and what happens when you try to turn one into the other.
 
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Trip_Wire said:
Argee2007 said:
Green_Garfield said:
Trip_Wire said:
I also find it hard to believe that the USAF, US Navy, USMC and the RAF would be ordering an aircraft that is compared to a "400 lb. Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster." But what do I know? I'm only a former Infantry type.
The RAF are not ordering the F35b they are ordering the JSF (different aircraft) along with other fcukers in europe.
I know this because me old dear works for rolls royce, who are building the engine.
The F35 is the Joint Strike Fighter, its called that as its a joint venture between nations. The engines are being made in partnership with General Electrics (GE) and Rolls Royce.

We used to call it the 'Joint Strike Fighter' but then the aircraft was given the designation 'F35' and we now call it this, there are 3 variants, the F35A which is the conventional aircraft, the F35B which is the STOVL and the F35C which is the Carrier Variant.

Ok! Perhaps our resident no-it-all CRAB can enlighten us on this. :roll:

How about the Royal Navy? The one article mentions them, as ordering them.

The F35B are the ones the RN are looking at, i just know basic info about this stuff from mates in those areas, but then again everything is up in the air just now with the trimming of projects and reductions in project sizes!
 
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crabtastic said:
I can start with teaching you the difference between "know" and "no", you dull cnut.
Ok, please show me where I misused the word 'know' where I should have used 'no,' Mister KNOW-it-all! I'll correct it ASAP! :p

Great! It's fixed, I missed that one, but used it other places right, perhaps, I was in to much of a hurry! :wink:

Dealing with Know it alls.: :lol:

http://www.hypnosisdownloads.com/downloads/difficult-people/know-all.html
 
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Trip_Wire said:
Argee2007 said:
Green_Garfield said:
Trip_Wire said:
I also find it hard to believe that the USAF, US Navy, USMC and the RAF would be ordering an aircraft that is compared to a "400 lb. Walmart shopper on a Disneyland Dragster." But what do I know? I'm only a former Infantry type.
The RAF are not ordering the F35b they are ordering the JSF (different aircraft) along with other fcukers in europe.
I know this because me old dear works for rolls royce, who are building the engine.
The F35 is the Joint Strike Fighter, its called that as its a joint venture between nations. The engines are being made in partnership with General Electrics (GE) and Rolls Royce.

We used to call it the 'Joint Strike Fighter' but then the aircraft was given the designation 'F35' and we now call it this, there are 3 variants, the F35A which is the conventional aircraft, the F35B which is the STOVL and the F35C which is the Carrier Variant.

Ok! Perhaps our resident no-it-all CRAB can enlighten us on this. :roll:

How about the Royal Navy? The one article mentions them, as ordering them.
Right there, in bold type, Fuckwit.
 
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Besides, I'm knocking an Anglo-American project and anyone who has spent any time looking at the procurement processes of both countries militaries should know that it is quite easy (albeit for different reasons) for them to end up with the equivalent of a 400lb Walmart shopper. In the case of the RAF Trade Group 18, this can be interpreted quite literally as most blanket stackers are, in fact, 400lb Walmart shoppers.

Edit: For other shining examples of the British military procurement system, see here: http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/British_Military_Procurement_Mysteries.

For good American examples, check out: http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/American_Military_procurement_mysteries Alternatively the flightline at Whiteman AFB, MO or the scrap metal bin at Andersen AFB, Guam might throw up a clue or two.
 
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crabtastic:

So, I made a small mistake, on one word! It was used correctly other places I think you knew very well what was meant, as well as who it was meant for.

The sad part of this is, why do you have to turn a post, showing a successful flight of an American aircraft, into a criticism of American aviation in general and this aircraft in particular, as well as turn the thread into another slagging match between us. I really see no reason to do this.

Have poor opinions of the aircraft? Make them! Please do, point out why, you have them. Don't generalize, express why you have formed such opinions and what they have to do with the posted video, of the aircrafts accomplishments in that video.

BTW: Why is it that you have to resort to name calling and insulting personal remarks in all of your posts to and about me. "Fuckwit, dull cnut, etc. I don't find them amusing or particularly bright from a man of your education, etc.

I don't address you in this way, even though sorely tempted to reply in kind, I see no reason why you have to resort to such inane juvenile behavior.

BTW: Much of what is said about 'Know-it-alls on the website below and posted before fit's you to a 'T'. :roll:

Particually this one:

"The know-it-all may be a highly intelligent person but their know-it-all attitude makes them narrow minded and less and less able to learn as the years roll by. "

http://www.hypnosisdownloads.com/downloads/difficult-people/know-all.html
 
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wow international bitchfight...
 
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For God's sake, you thick old fossil. I didn't come out of the gate attacking you, I merely mentioned that the F-35, particularly the B model, has been having problems with the airframe- avec whistles and bells- being overweight and the engine being underpowered and you took this as America bashing.

Please, just... stop. I used to have a go at you for the incalculable number of stupid things that you say, but now it just looks like I'm poking a mong with a stick for sh1ts and giggles- something that I made a New Year's resolution to try and do less of this year after a rather impassioned plea from a Sunshine Bus driver.
 
#17
Crabtastic:

Read my last message (Prior to this one.) once again and think about it! Nor do I think you are being truthful about slagging, as you manage to 'slip one' in here and there in other treads where I post. Don't play innocent, when your not.
 
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I'm tempted not to post on this puerile cat fight however, in order to clarify the UK's position…

The UK has a project known as Joint Combat Aircraft (JCA) to replace RAF and RN Harrier GR9 and T12s. Currently, the ‘preferred solution’ to the UK JCA requirement is the F-35B Short take Off Vertical Landing (STOVL) variant of the Lightning II. However, technically, it is not a given that the F-35B will be purchased by the RAF and RN.

The UK is the only ‘Level 1’ partner nation with the US meaning that we can influence the design of the aircraft. About 10 other nations have signed up and paid to differing levels which entitles them to varying access to the F-35’s design and technology. As already stated, there are three F-35 variants: The F-35A Conventional Take off and Landing (CTOL) is designed to replace USAF F-16s and some A-10s, the F-35B STOVL is designed to replace USMC FA-18A/B/C/Ds and AV-8B Harriers (as well as the RAF/RN Harrier GR9/T12s), and the F-35C Carrier Variant (CV) is designed to replace USN FA-18A/B/C/Ds.

The F-35 continues to suffer a difficult gestation with weight and electrical problems causing particular concern. However, these are slowly being overcome. Politically, there continues to be considerable inter-US service bickering regarding specifications and delivery schedules. The USN in particular has fought to kill the B variant, arguing that the USMC model couldn’t integrate effectively onto USN Carrier Ops. Similarly, the USAF has considered splitting their purchases between the A and B with the latter being used to replace their A-10s in toto. In the UK, there remains some debate as to whether we should order the C model which is more capable than the B, but which lacks STOVL capability.

Additionally, there have been significant concerns expressed by many nations that the US continues to deny access to JSF technology, or guarantee industrial offsets.

I think that it’s a fair bet that F-35 will work, albeit it will be an exceptionally expensive programme, even for the US. Performance wise, it offers the potential of Low Observability (LO or ‘Stealth) when external stores are not carried (all F-35 variants have internal weapons bays). It will be supersonic but manoeuvrability, payload (and possibly range in certain configurations) will be less than the F-22 or Typhoon. However, it promises to be an excellent aircraft with a particularly impressive sensor suite, and the F-35 (I suspect we’ll stick with the B model) will probably enter service with the RAF and RN in around 10 years.

Now, grow up the lot of you.

Regards,
MM
 
#19
instinct said:
wow international bitchfight...
It's been going on between the two of us for sometime and apparently isn't about to end anytime soon, although I would like it to. :roll:

I Apologize to the other forum users. I would very much not like to get into such slagging matches; however, I feel the need to address a poster when he/she starts with the personal attacks and rude comments, etc.
 
#20
Magic_Mushroom:

Great post! That clears up many things in my mind, about the aircraft in question.
 

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