US Deploying to Gulf

Does this compare with Iran’s backing of, involvement with terror groups, and the killings that they have directly had a hand in for over 35 years?
It probably compares with the unlawful killings Israel have committed over the past 55 years as well.
 
From memory ( only visited once) I recall that the Gulf is way too narrow to deploy a battlegroup effectively without being under permanent threat from Iranian shore based missiles?
Also it's supposedly too shallow for subs, so it's more likely the carrier group will be lurking outside the straits, somewhere in the Indian Ocean?
Action stations whilst transiting straits of Hormuz due to seersucker / boghammer threat.
 
Nice to see your true colours come out bestie.
If I see a justifiable conflict I am all in, if I see a conflict driven by political propaganda I am against it. In no way does either of those decisions lesson my support of the troops who get thrown into the fire, be they Canadian, British, American or even French to name just a few.
 
Turkey's take on this:

They want Trump to launch a war against Iran!
Abdullah Muradoğlu. Full link

Iran is a country that has been slammed with U.S. sanctions for almost four decades now. Despite both countries declaring one another as the enemy, close combat is yet to take place between them.

Based on the grounds that Iran is planning attacks on U.S. forces in the Middle East, Donald Trump’s administration on May 5 sent aircraft carrier attack groups, along with a bombardment task force consisting of B-52 bombers. The days following May 5 were the most intense between Iran and the U.S. to date. By the way, the intelligence which got the U.S. to deploy forces is “Israel”-based.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was in Finland on the days that followed, canceled his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and went to Iraq. Pompeo could not find the support he hoped from Iraqi officials. The Iraqis indicated the U.S. is exaggerating the intelligence concerning Iran, and stated that they did not witness any unfamiliar development in Iranian behavior.

The claim that Pentagon is preparing to send 120,000 troops to the Gulf landed like a bomb on the world’s agenda. Meanwhile, the U.S. decision to send an additional military fleet to the region, including a battleship, escalated tensions. Secretary of State Pompeo then visited Brussels and held meetings with his French, German and British counterparts to ensure support to their maximum pressure policy against Iran. However, Pompeo failed to achieve the result he had hoped for. Just as these three countries, that are signatories of the “Iran Nuclear Deal,” do not approve of U.S. President Trump’s withdrawal from this deal, they are also displeased with the U.S.’s Iran policy. As for the Trump administration, it is pushing European leaders to both withdraw from the nuclear deal and fully support the U.S. against Iran.

Visiting Moscow following Brussels, Pompeo met with Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is impossible for Russia, which itself is facing U.S. sanctions, to overtly support the U.S. regarding Iran. Meanwhile, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif travelled to China where Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi slammed the U.S.’s one-sided sanction on Iran and declared support for Iran.

According to information in U.S. media, in addition to NATO intelligence units, the U.K. wing of the anti-Daesh coalition in Iraq and Syria also find the claims of an “increasing threat” from Iran “baseless.” In summary, this idea, which Trump’s National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo are trying to sell, found no buyers. Nobody believes the likelihood of Iran seeking a reason go to war with the U.S. On the contrary, it is Trump’s neocons that are seeking an excuse to launch a war against Iran. As a matter of fact, even Trump himself is not after war. Trump believes that maximum pressure will bring Iran into line.

Trump had accused previous U.S. presidents of pushing America into stupid wars that cost the country trillions of dollars. “Going to war with Iran” is not in the interests of Trump, who wants to be re-elected as president in 2020. Trump accused news outlets that reported the plan to send 120,000 troops to the Gulf as publishing “FAKE NEWS”. Of course, Trump’s denial does not show that there is no plan. Only in January the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times had reported that Bolton requested a military operation plan from Pentagon aimed at Iran. Bolton’s “zealotry concerning Iran” did not escape attention.

Trump, who promised to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Syria, has been sitting in the presidential chair since 2017, but is yet to bring home a single soldier. While this is the state, Trump would not want a war with Iran. Whoever convinced Trump to work with Bolton and the other hawks, they are the forces that want the war with Iran. Israel, which is among the likely suspects of this scenario, would of course very much love for the U.S. to fight for it. A “La Fontaine Tale” relates what happens to a cat that takes the chestnuts in the fire with its paws upon the monkey poking him. The monkey is the one that eats the chestnuts, but the cat is the one that gets beaten. In this “Iran” scenario, Bolton is playing the role of this “cat’s paw.”
 
What conflict does not have a political aspect?
The operative words were 'Political Propaganda', all conflicts involve decisions made by Governments we know that, it is the story building up to that conflict that causes concern.

For example I believe the 1st Gulf War in 1991 was justifiable on the Invasion of Kuwait, the 2nd Iraq war in 2003 was driven by false propaganda and in my mind 4,450+ soldiers died for no reason other than a politician wanting to go to war.
 
Turkey's take on this:

They want Trump to launch a war against Iran!
Abdullah Muradoğlu. Full link

Iran is a country that has been slammed with U.S. sanctions for almost four decades now. Despite both countries declaring one another as the enemy, close combat is yet to take place between them.

Based on the grounds that Iran is planning attacks on U.S. forces in the Middle East, Donald Trump’s administration on May 5 sent aircraft carrier attack groups, along with a bombardment task force consisting of B-52 bombers. The days following May 5 were the most intense between Iran and the U.S. to date. By the way, the intelligence which got the U.S. to deploy forces is “Israel”-based.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was in Finland on the days that followed, canceled his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and went to Iraq. Pompeo could not find the support he hoped from Iraqi officials. The Iraqis indicated the U.S. is exaggerating the intelligence concerning Iran, and stated that they did not witness any unfamiliar development in Iranian behavior.

The claim that Pentagon is preparing to send 120,000 troops to the Gulf landed like a bomb on the world’s agenda. Meanwhile, the U.S. decision to send an additional military fleet to the region, including a battleship, escalated tensions. Secretary of State Pompeo then visited Brussels and held meetings with his French, German and British counterparts to ensure support to their maximum pressure policy against Iran. However, Pompeo failed to achieve the result he had hoped for. Just as these three countries, that are signatories of the “Iran Nuclear Deal,” do not approve of U.S. President Trump’s withdrawal from this deal, they are also displeased with the U.S.’s Iran policy. As for the Trump administration, it is pushing European leaders to both withdraw from the nuclear deal and fully support the U.S. against Iran.

Visiting Moscow following Brussels, Pompeo met with Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is impossible for Russia, which itself is facing U.S. sanctions, to overtly support the U.S. regarding Iran. Meanwhile, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif travelled to China where Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi slammed the U.S.’s one-sided sanction on Iran and declared support for Iran.

According to information in U.S. media, in addition to NATO intelligence units, the U.K. wing of the anti-Daesh coalition in Iraq and Syria also find the claims of an “increasing threat” from Iran “baseless.” In summary, this idea, which Trump’s National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo are trying to sell, found no buyers. Nobody believes the likelihood of Iran seeking a reason go to war with the U.S. On the contrary, it is Trump’s neocons that are seeking an excuse to launch a war against Iran. As a matter of fact, even Trump himself is not after war. Trump believes that maximum pressure will bring Iran into line.

Trump had accused previous U.S. presidents of pushing America into stupid wars that cost the country trillions of dollars. “Going to war with Iran” is not in the interests of Trump, who wants to be re-elected as president in 2020. Trump accused news outlets that reported the plan to send 120,000 troops to the Gulf as publishing “FAKE NEWS”. Of course, Trump’s denial does not show that there is no plan. Only in January the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times had reported that Bolton requested a military operation plan from Pentagon aimed at Iran. Bolton’s “zealotry concerning Iran” did not escape attention.

Trump, who promised to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Syria, has been sitting in the presidential chair since 2017, but is yet to bring home a single soldier. While this is the state, Trump would not want a war with Iran. Whoever convinced Trump to work with Bolton and the other hawks, they are the forces that want the war with Iran. Israel, which is among the likely suspects of this scenario, would of course very much love for the U.S. to fight for it. A “La Fontaine Tale” relates what happens to a cat that takes the chestnuts in the fire with its paws upon the monkey poking him. The monkey is the one that eats the chestnuts, but the cat is the one that gets beaten. In this “Iran” scenario, Bolton is playing the role of this “cat’s paw.”
I’m not sure the ‘Erdogan press’ and their columnists are a good source personally. It’s wiki but has numerous links to their stance and controversy:
Yeni Şafak - Wikipedia
 
There is growing discontent with the islamic regime within iran.

This woman has had enough of beong forced to wear a hijab inspite of western feminists insisting that everyone wears them because they are stunning and brave

Iran: Woman Dragged Away, Arrested For Protesting Mandatory Hijab Law

President Trump has spoken directly to the iranian people before. As much i the thought of another adventure in the moddle east appalls me, if enough of them want our help to rid their country of a barbaric theocracy then im up for helping them.

As long as its not another syria where the people we help are worse than the regime.
 
I’m still unaware of any group supported by the U.K. which dropped Sarin and chlorine on their own people.
 
the 2nd Iraq war in 2003 was driven by false propaganda
This is heard by many, but, as many others heard valid reasons of concern about Saddam’s continuing drive to return to power and avenge his defeat in the 1st Gulf war.

Neither you, nor I are producing links to what each of us believes to be true, I will simply say that the leopard cannot change his spots, and Saddam’s nature, and long history, incline me to believe that he was not about to roll over and go away quietly.

Your displayed sense of moral outrage is admirable, your naiveté...or bias, not so much.
 
Spain dont want to join this party. They understand, that it can be finished badly. Very badly for Spain (and Europe).

"Spain withdraws the ‘Méndez Núñez ' frigate from the US battle group in the Persian Gulf

Robles has ordered the ship, with 215 sailors, to stop accompanying the aircraft carrier 'Abraham Lincoln' in the face of escalating tension with Iran."


España retira la fragata ‘Méndez Núñez’ del grupo de combate de EE UU en el golfo Pérsico
Caramba! We can't have one of our warships in a battle group, that's not what they are for.

Yeah, righto.
Better get back to Gib waters and a show of strength against the Brits. Plead "Neutrality" while we are at it. :cool:
 
Iran is a country that has been slammed with U.S. sanctions for almost four decades now. Despite both countries declaring one another as the enemy, close combat is yet to take place between them.

Based on the grounds that Iran is planning attacks on U.S. forces in the Middle East, Donald Trump’s administration on May 5 sent aircraft carrier attack groups, along with a bombardment task force consisting of B-52 bombers. The days following May 5 were the most intense between Iran and the U.S. to date. By the way, the intelligence which got the U.S. to deploy forces is “Israel”-based.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who was in Finland on the days that followed, canceled his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and went to Iraq. Pompeo could not find the support he hoped from Iraqi officials. The Iraqis indicated the U.S. is exaggerating the intelligence concerning Iran, and stated that they did not witness any unfamiliar development in Iranian behavior.

The claim that Pentagon is preparing to send 120,000 troops to the Gulf landed like a bomb on the world’s agenda. Meanwhile, the U.S. decision to send an additional military fleet to the region, including a battleship, escalated tensions. Secretary of State Pompeo then visited Brussels and held meetings with his French, German and British counterparts to ensure support to their maximum pressure policy against Iran. However, Pompeo failed to achieve the result he had hoped for. Just as these three countries, that are signatories of the “Iran Nuclear Deal,” do not approve of U.S. President Trump’s withdrawal from this deal, they are also displeased with the U.S.’s Iran policy. As for the Trump administration, it is pushing European leaders to both withdraw from the nuclear deal and fully support the U.S. against Iran.

Visiting Moscow following Brussels, Pompeo met with Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is impossible for Russia, which itself is facing U.S. sanctions, to overtly support the U.S. regarding Iran. Meanwhile, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif travelled to China where Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi slammed the U.S.’s one-sided sanction on Iran and declared support for Iran.

According to information in U.S. media, in addition to NATO intelligence units, the U.K. wing of the anti-Daesh coalition in Iraq and Syria also find the claims of an “increasing threat” from Iran “baseless.” In summary, this idea, which Trump’s National Security Adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo are trying to sell, found no buyers. Nobody believes the likelihood of Iran seeking a reason go to war with the U.S. On the contrary, it is Trump’s neocons that are seeking an excuse to launch a war against Iran. As a matter of fact, even Trump himself is not after war. Trump believes that maximum pressure will bring Iran into line.

Trump had accused previous U.S. presidents of pushing America into stupid wars that cost the country trillions of dollars. “Going to war with Iran” is not in the interests of Trump, who wants to be re-elected as president in 2020. Trump accused news outlets that reported the plan to send 120,000 troops to the Gulf as publishing “FAKE NEWS”. Of course, Trump’s denial does not show that there is no plan. Only in January the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times had reported that Bolton requested a military operation plan from Pentagon aimed at Iran. Bolton’s “zealotry concerning Iran” did not escape attention.
This is all about anti-Trump. Little mention of what Iran has been doing over various US Administrations.

Poor response.
 
Its not certain who, if anyone, used chemical weapons.
Other than those mentioned by the unanimously appointed UNSC Joint Investigative Mechanism (whose ToRs were agreed by the members of the UNSC, along with their appointment, membership and reporting process) who found against Assad’s regime and IS.
 
This is all about anti-Trump. Little mention of what Iran has been doing over various US Administrations.

Poor response.
God Forbid a writer from Turkey would ever write an anti-Trump opinion which btw, has a lot of facts in it. A bit like an American writing an anti-Israeli opinion - can't be done without getting vilified I suppose.

All I know is (and I DO NOT support the Ayatollah regime in anyway) sanctions are well known to create further hatred towards the county imposing those sanctions as opposed to creating a regime change and if my country had sanctions forced upon them for over 40 years, and those sanctions were tripled in the last two years, I would be doing my best to phuk up the countries trying their level best to phuk my country over.

How is the 'Deal of the Century' coming along anyway, I'm sure there is a lot in it for Palestine to look forward to?
 

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