US, Cuba, mystery diplomatic symptoms

#21
Such weapons do exist, but why would Cuba do anything when they have just had sanctions lifted after many many years? More likely to be mischief from certain parties who want the sanctions put back asap.
Oh I agree with that. If it is some naughtiness it's almost certainly a foreign player, not the Cubanos.
 
#22
More news on mysterious "Cuban sonic death ray".
U.S. State Department to probe Cuba incidents amid skepticism of sonic attack theory
Tillerson tells AP Cuba still risky; FBI doubts sonic attack

The US State Department will investigate the unexplained health issues of American diplomats in Cuba.
The U.S. State Department will investigate unexplained health issues that American diplomats suffered in Cuba, a Senate committee was told Tuesday.
The investigation will include looking into whether the problem was actually caused by something like a virus. I believe that I mentioned in a previous post that a tropical virus was high on my own list of suspects.
Todd Brown, from State Department's Diplomatic Security, said investigators are considering other possibilities, including a viral attack. He says the possibility someone deliberately infected people with a virus hasn't been ruled out.
AP has reported that a new FBI report shows no evidence for the theory of a sonic weapon.
The hearing comes after The Associated Press reported that a new FBI report shows no evidence for the initial theory of a sonic weapon. The report, dated Jan. 4, doesn't address other theories and said the FBI will keep investigating until it can show there has been no intentional harm.
Canadian diplomats were also affected by whatever the problem was. Canada found the Cubans to be co-operative with the Canadian investigation (although no specific cause was determined).
The Cubans have been said to be co-operative as Canada has sent an RCMP delegation and a Health Canada doctor to examine Canadian diplomats, who suffered symptoms such as nosebleeds to short-term memory loss.

The US government however are still saying though that although there's no evidence that connects the Cuban government to this problem, the US is still demanding that "someone" in the Cuban government "bring this to an end".
“I still believe that the Cuban government, someone within the Cuban government can bring this to an end,” Tillerson added. Washington has never claimed Cuba perpetrated the attacks but has insisted the island’s communist-run government must know who did. Cuba adamantly denies both involvement and knowledge of any attacks.
Just what exactly the Cuban government is expected to do is even less clear. I suspect there are several issues at play here. One is that the US government has gone so far out on a limb with with the "sonic death ray" theory that they are afraid of being made laughing stocks if they were to back down from that now.

The other is that the anti-Cuba lobby in the US has seized on this as a stick with which to beat Cuba and doesn't want to let go of it.

The AP version of the report contains some misleading information which should be pointed out. The AP version notes that Canadian diplomats have been affected as well However, it does not include the facts that Canada has not bought into the "sonic death ray" theory and that Canada has found the Cubans to be co-operative with the Canadian investigation.
 
#23
Reminds me of a septic mate who was on a US Navy ship parked in the Med off Beirut during the conflict there. Half of the crew came down with the shits and he told me that the Lebanese had been using chemical warfare against their ship.



It couldn't possibly have been a cook who hadn't washed his hands after reaming a stewards arrse though.
ISTR a similar outbreak in KAF. Yanks were convinced it was TB poisoning. Didn't go down the poorly prepared, out of date food in the supreme cookhouse.
 
#24
This is complete nonsense.

It’s a mass psychogenic event. Bookloads of medical evidence to support this.

There is no scientific basis for a “sonic weapon” which just targets Septics and Canucks. Don’t Cubans and other nationalities have ears?

Even the sonic weapons that do exist are pretty much rubbish. Someone has been listening to too much Hawkwind.

There is no commonality of symptoms across the affected individuals and nobody has been given access to their medical records.

The US attitude is “any stick is fine for beating my enemy with”.


Sonic Weapons in Cuba

"Sonic Attacks" at the US Embassy in Cuba - Mass Hysteria?

“Sonic Attack” or Mass Hysteria?
 
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#25
More developments on the mysterious Cuban sonic death ray. Canada sending home families of diplomats in Cuba after cases of 'new type' of brain injury | CBC News

Canada has now made Cuba an "unaccompanied post" while the mysterious health problems there persist.
Canada is designating Cuba an "unaccompanied post" — meaning diplomats' families will not be allowed to live with them in the country during a posting — because of new information about mysterious symptoms suffered by Canadian and U.S. diplomats and their families.
This has been sparked by a new medical report on the symptoms being experienced. This type of injury is supposedly new to science.
A new report by a Canadian medical specialist raises the possibility that some of the Canadians have experienced a "new type of possible acquired brain injury." A senior government official said that this injury is new to science.
There is still no explanation for the illness. However, "sonic attacks" and psychological origins have been ruled out. An environmental assessment in early April found no apparent causes.
There is still no clear explanation for the illnesses. The government says theories about sonic attacks and forms of illness with psychological origins have been ruled out. An environmental assessment conducted April 4 found no suspected causes.
The most likely explanation is "medical", although no details as to what that means was provided. From the context I suspect this likely means some sort of virus, bacteria, mould, food contamination, or the like.
The most likely explanation appears to be medical, said a senior government official.
There is no indication that tourists are at risk. Cuba has been a very popular vacation destination for Canadians for many years, so I suspect pains will be taken to avoid generating any unnecessary panic.
The government said it has seen no indication that Canadian tourists in Cuba are at risk.
 
#26
This is apparently the sound that the diplomats are hearing.


I cannot hear anything when I play this. Not even with decent earphones and turning it up to 11. Nada, zilch.

Now this may be just because I am an old git and cannot hear the higher frequencies but I would imagine a number of the affected US and Canadian diplomats tended towards the upper end of the age spectrum.

I’m prepared to accept any “new science” if it is researched, repeated, peer reviewed and generally fits within some accepted canon.

When I read phrases like “new type of possible acquired brain injury . . . that is new to science” my Skeptikometer starts to quiver violently. Especially when there is an extensive body of science in place that provides a viable explanation.

I’ll stick with what I wrote two posts back.


Edit. I played this direct from the website the link appeared on and couldn’t hear anything. When I played the link above I could hear some sort of electronic squeak (a bit like the old modem sound) when I stick my ear next to the speaker. I’m doomed. Doomed I tell you.
 
#27
This is apparently the sound that the diplomats are hearing

I cannot hear anything when I play this. Not even with decent earphones and turning it up to 11. Nada, zilch.
Edit. I played this direct from the website the link appeared on and couldn’t hear anything. When I played the link above I could hear some sort of electronic squeak (a bit like the old modem sound) when I stick my ear next to the speaker. I’m doomed. Doomed I tell you.
I can hear that. Not very pleasant at all. It sound's like a modulated "mosquito" youth loitering deterrent but at a lower frequency of around 6900 to 7200KHz. No like.
 
#28
This is apparently the sound that the diplomats are hearing.


I cannot hear anything when I play this. Not even with decent earphones and turning it up to 11. Nada, zilch.

Now this may be just because I am an old git and cannot hear the higher frequencies but I would imagine a number of the affected US and Canadian diplomats tended towards the upper end of the age spectrum.

I’m prepared to accept any “new science” if it is researched, repeated, peer reviewed and generally fits within some accepted canon.

When I read phrases like “new type of possible acquired brain injury . . . that is new to science” my Skeptikometer starts to quiver violently. Especially when there is an extensive body of science in place that provides a viable explanation.

I’ll stick with what I wrote two posts back.

Edit. I played this direct from the website the link appeared on and couldn’t hear anything. When I played the link above I could hear some sort of electronic squeak (a bit like the old modem sound) when I stick my ear next to the speaker. I’m doomed. Doomed I tell you.
Like @Electromagnetic I can hear it too. More annoying/irritating for me. I suppose if it was ongoing ........
 
#29
I cannot hear anything when I play this. Not even with decent earphones and turning it up to 11. Nada, zilch.
Now this may be just because I am an old git and cannot hear the higher frequencies
I can hear it.
Does that mean I am not an old git and not going deaf.
 
#31
This is apparently the sound that the diplomats are hearing.


I cannot hear anything when I play this. Not even with decent earphones and turning it up to 11. Nada, zilch.

Now this may be just because I am an old git and cannot hear the higher frequencies but I would imagine a number of the affected US and Canadian diplomats tended towards the upper end of the age spectrum.
I'm not sure where this recording comes from, but if it is the one that I am thinking of it is a simulation of the original sound based on descriptions, not an actual recording.

I’m prepared to accept any “new science” if it is researched, repeated, peer reviewed and generally fits within some accepted canon.

When I read phrases like “new type of possible acquired brain injury . . . that is new to science” my Skeptikometer starts to quiver violently. Especially when there is an extensive body of science in place that provides a viable explanation. (...)
The problem is that the "sonic death ray" theory requires new science as any sort of sonic weapon that people have been able to think of that could do this would require new laws of physics.

This is why there is a good deal of scepticism surrounding this idea and why so many people think that some sort of virus or other medical condition is the cause.
 
#32
I'm not sure where this recording comes from, but if it is the one that I am thinking of it is a simulation of the original sound based on descriptions, not an actual recording.


The problem is that the "sonic death ray" theory requires new science as any sort of sonic weapon that people have been able to think of that could do this would require new laws of physics.

This is why there is a good deal of scepticism surrounding this idea and why so many people think that some sort of virus or other medical condition is the cause.

Possible.....chemical agent ???
(If high blood pressure can cause tones in the ear, why not some reaction to a virus or chemical agent? )
 
#33
Possible.....chemical agent ???
(If high blood pressure can cause tones in the ear, why not some reaction to a virus or chemical agent? )
It is quite possible that ringing in the ears may be caused by some medical condition. It is also possible that there are actual intermittent high pitched noises, such as insect noises, which are unrelated to the medical condition. When there is a problem that has no obvious explanation and you are looking for causes amongst all the possible surrounding events, it is quite common to find false correlations.

The main point though is that a Canadian medical specialist has looked into the issue and has ruled out both the sonic death ray theory and the psychological origin theory and believes it to be of "medical" origin.

As I've said previously, my own suspicions centre around an unusual manifestation of a tropical virus, bacteria, or parasite.
 
#34
It is quite possible that ringing in the ears may be caused by some medical condition. It is also possible that there are actual intermittent high pitched noises, such as insect noises, which are unrelated to the medical condition. When there is a problem that has no obvious explanation and you are looking for causes amongst all the possible surrounding events, it is quite common to find false correlations.

The main point though is that a Canadian medical specialist has looked into the issue and has ruled out both the sonic death ray theory and the psychological origin theory and believes it to be of "medical" origin.

As I've said previously, my own suspicions centre around an unusual manifestation of a tropical virus, bacteria, or parasite.
....or....chemical / fumes etc?
 
#36
....or....chemical / fumes etc?
Given that we are talking about an office and home environment, chemicals or fumes are less likely. On the other hand it is not unusual for tourists to come home from a tropical vacation with a disease which completely baffles the doctors in Canada as it is something they have never seen before and have no expertise in.
 
#37
U.S. sets up task force over unexplained diplomatic health incidents
Pompeo has ordered a task force to be set up for the “identification and treatment of affected personnel and family members, investigation and risk mitigation, messaging, and diplomatic outreach”. 25 US govt and family members affected so far in Cuba and China:
The United States has set up a task force to help coordinate a response to unexplained health problems affecting a number of U.S. diplomats and their relatives in Cuba and China, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement on Tuesday.

The group, set up on May 23, will handle “identification and treatment of affected personnel and family members, investigation and risk mitigation, messaging, and diplomatic outreach” for the 25 U.S. government workers and family members confirmed to have been affected so far, the statement said.
 
#38
A tropical virus is more plausible than assuming the Cubans have developed an undetectable sonic death ray.
But makes a far less juicy excuse for expelling diplomats in 'retaliation' for... er... pulling staff out on sickness grounds.
 
#39
THE US State Department has evacuated more staff from China over fears they may have been hit by a mysterious illness that has struck other colleagues in the Asian country and Cuba.

The department said Wednesday that “a number of individuals” were sent to the United States for further evaluation following initial screenings.

A medical team was sent to the southern city of Guangzhou after an American employee who had experienced strange sounds was diagnosed with a brain trauma last month, reviving fears that a US rival has developed some kind of acoustic or microwave device.

US officials have said that the employee’s symptoms were consistent with the ailments that US diplomats experienced in Cuba last year.

More US staffers evacuated from China over mystery illness
 
#40
This is apparently the sound that the diplomats are hearing.


I cannot hear anything when I play this. Not even with decent earphones and turning it up to 11. Nada, zilch.

Now this may be just because I am an old git and cannot hear the higher frequencies but I would imagine a number of the affected US and Canadian diplomats tended towards the upper end of the age spectrum.

I’m prepared to accept any “new science” if it is researched, repeated, peer reviewed and generally fits within some accepted canon.

When I read phrases like “new type of possible acquired brain injury . . . that is new to science” my Skeptikometer starts to quiver violently. Especially when there is an extensive body of science in place that provides a viable explanation.

I’ll stick with what I wrote two posts back.


Edit. I played this direct from the website the link appeared on and couldn’t hear anything. When I played the link above I could hear some sort of electronic squeak (a bit like the old modem sound) when I stick my ear next to the speaker. I’m doomed. Doomed I tell you.

Sounds like cicadas in the bush.
 

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