US commits $80 billion to new strategic bomber to replace B52s

jim30

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Saw this here - Northrop beats Boeing for crucial Pentagon bomber contract

Interesting article, firstly its clear that Boeing is in deep trouble over the lack of military orders coming up. Secondly, its interesting that this aircraft is so highly classified that no details are emerging on it - essentially the taxpayer is stumping up blind $80bn for a plane that has no known details - that could be a hard sell when budget cuts hit on the hill.

Finally, how long before people demand we buy into it to replace the Typhoon? :)
 

lert

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Saw this here - Northrop beats Boeing for crucial Pentagon bomber contract

Interesting article, firstly its clear that Boeing is in deep trouble over the lack of military orders coming up. Secondly, its interesting that this aircraft is so highly classified that no details are emerging on it - essentially the taxpayer is stumping up blind $80bn for a plane that has no known details - that could be a hard sell when budget cuts hit on the hill.

Finally, how long before people demand we buy into it to replace the Typhoon? :)
Oh Jim, that's not how things work here and you know it. Obviously the replacement for the Typhoon has to be the Harrier. If we want a new bomber then we have to dig out the jigs for the Vulcan whilst chuntering for several hundred pages about the TSR2 and how it was all the fault of that Commie swine Wilson.
 

Wordsmith

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Saw this here - Northrop beats Boeing for crucial Pentagon bomber contract

Interesting article, firstly its clear that Boeing is in deep trouble over the lack of military orders coming up. Secondly, its interesting that this aircraft is so highly classified that no details are emerging on it - essentially the taxpayer is stumping up blind $80bn for a plane that has no known details - that could be a hard sell when budget cuts hit on the hill.
Obviously students of the South Sea Bubble. This from the prospectus of one of the companies.

The South Sea Bubble
For carrying on an undertaking of great advantage; but nobody to know what it is.
Wordsmith
 
its interesting that this aircraft is so highly classified that no details are emerging on it - essentially the taxpayer is stumping up blind $80bn for a plane that has no known details - that could be a hard sell when budget cuts hit on the hill.
How's about the military needing a replacement bomber (with some broad-brush specs), and someone in Capital Hill suggesting a budget that COULD be UP TO $80bn based on current costs of, f'rinstance, F35? It also could explain why there are no details, as the final design specs are still not fully defined? Design lift to first flight is at least a decade once the design is agreed.

The BUFFs are expected to be in the air until +- 2040.
 
Replacing B52s? I would have thunked that the B1 would have replaced it, or something now to replace the B1. And whatever happened to the B2. $80 Billion. You could run a fair sized country on that. :cool:
 
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Replacing B52s? I would have thunked that the B1 would have replaced it, or something now to replace the B1. And whatever happened to the B2. £80 Billion. You could run a fair sized country on that. :cool:
B1: Obsolete, replaced by the B1B (cruised better at mach .92 and designed to cruise at mach.91; redesigned to B1B standard).
B2: Original requirement was for 100, eventually ended up being 21 (now 19).


and it's 80bn $, not £... :)

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Wordsmith

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There are some educated guesses in the article from the military analysts. It does appear to be a way of telling the Chinese that we'll still be able to penetrate your defences for the next 50 years.

Wordsmith
 

seaweed

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My guess is costs ballooning top $200 bn and eventual build of a dozen.

Meanwhile all those senators and congressmen have got to eat you know.
 
If they could just make it to 100 there would be something to throw in eyes of London commuters complaining about their trains :)
Even a Londoner wouldn't want a ride in a b52. The inside of which is spectacularly cramped and uncomfortable. Ergonomics was a dirty word when that was designed.


And the new lsrb is supposed to replace the b52 + b1 + the b2. Average unit costs being about 800m over its life and first flight in 2025.
As mentioned in another thread, the design has been on the drawing board for around a decade.

- edit- @BugsyIV which bit?
 
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diverman

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How's about the military needing a replacement bomber (with some broad-brush specs), and someone in Capital Hill suggesting a budget that COULD be UP TO $80bn based on current costs of, f'rinstance, F35? It also could explain why there are no details, as the final design specs are still not fully defined? Design lift to first flight is at least a decade once the design is agreed.

The BUFFs are expected to be in the air until +- 2040.
And will probably see out of service any future planned replacement. Will we see the great great children of the original B52 crews flying it.
 
AFAICR, there are already grand-children of early BUFF pilots flying B52's...
I've often thought there is a Hollywood action movie script in there ...
Called B52 it is one of those films that follows the generations of one family (all probably played by Bruce Willis) flying the bomber in its different roles over time. The 50s Nuclear role, Vietnam... Afghan...

Copyright etc?
Don't give a ****
Take it, have it.
Not interested in septic history.
 
With modern stealth pgm's do they need anything more than a mildly stealthy bomb truck ?
A delta wing jobby with engines buried in the wing and capable of long flights...bit like vulcan...Cor, there's a thought....
 
With modern stealth pgm's do they need anything more than a mildly stealthy bomb truck ?
A delta wing jobby with engines buried in the wing and capable of long flights...bit like vulcan...Cor, there's a thought....
Well, I was thinking, no honestly, I was, that if those Invincible class jobbies could have sailored on for even half the life of the Buffs and we had kept that jet rather than selling it to the sceptics...

Taxi called ;)
 
B1: Obsolete, replaced by the B1B (cruised better at mach .92 and designed to cruise at mach.91; redesigned to B1B standard).
B2: Original requirement was for 100, eventually ended up being 21 (now 19).


and it's 80bn $, not £... :)

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Thanks for the info (and correction) Just seems a surprise that the two leading edge bombers are redundant before the B52s. Just goes to show sometimes that designs aren't all that. :cool:
 

lert

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With modern stealth pgm's do they need anything more than a mildly stealthy bomb truck ?
A delta wing jobby with engines buried in the wing and capable of long flights...bit like vulcan...Cor, there's a thought....
House!
 

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