US: Chinas weapons exceed self-defence needs

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by KGB_resident, Jan 29, 2008.

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    Needless to say that American militaly potential greatly exceed self-defence needs.

    Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi.

    Btw, I suspect that from point of view of our American friends Russia's weapons exceed self-defence needs as well.
  2. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    One would hope that any sensible country has weapons that exceed the need for mere self defense. The US doctrine is still that they need the capability to fight two large wars in two locations around the world at any one time, but they've only got one location with a self defence requirement - the US.

    Britain, on the other hand, has barely enough forces to protect Folkestone, and has sent those forces to two different countries at the same time. Broon sincerely hopes that the big wars that everyone else is making sure they are bombed up for are going to be fought somewhere else, and that nobody will notice little old England during the fray.
  3. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    I may well do so. It could actually benefit from a hostile takeover.
  4. Or a nuke.

    Omelettes and eggs.
  5. The existing Sino-US economic interdependance is a far better garuntee of security between the two countries than any arms control. The only problem is that the US might not be able to disengage with China economically in protest, say to agression against Taiwan, without suffering unacceptable economic consequences.

    The real concern must be, firstly the threat of weapons technology proliferation to third parties and secondly that the US cannot afford to protest too strongly to China flexing it's muscles on the regional stage due to the loss in trade such action would inevitably cause.
  6. I would have thought it was fairer to judge a country on its deeds, not its words. Now, how many countries have the Yanks attacked since 1945, and how many has China attacked?

    USA - Vietnam, lLaos, Cambodia, Grenada, Nicaragua (on the sly), Iraq, Afghanistan. And a few coups instigated here and there (Chile, Guatemala).

    China - Tibet, Vietnam (brief fisticuffs), India (brief fisticuffs).

    I'd trust the Chinese over Uncle Sam any day. All they want is to run their own back yard and have secure borders. The Chinese know all about the costs of a major war on your turf, unlike most Americans.
  7. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Well, that's all very well and good and all that, but if we look at the subtext, it'll be something along the lines of "Jeez Mr President, those nasty slanty-eyes could be the next major threat to ALL FREEDOM LOVING DEMOCRACIES, and it sure makes me think we need to increase the defence budget again, because you know, we are surrounded by injuns, and they look real mean sir".
  8. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Good point actually, apart from the Korea fiasco, US/China relations have never been particularly bad.
  9. These trade balance stats from 1985-2007 make staggering reading: From a USD 6B deficit to China in 1985 to a USD 237.5B deficit at the close of 2007, and with the global economy wobbling as it is at the moment, it's not going to get any better for quite some time.

    Reference the domestic problems caused by international economic disengagement, that is the bitter pill many nations refuse to swallow when it comes to rigorously obeying sanctions, so the US will be wary about stepping out of the China market because another country will fill their shoes immediately. The ‘most favoured nation’ status that the US ‘carroted’ China with for so long isn’t as much of a threat now, given the changing strategic importance of both the US and China. 10 years ago, the US was the undisputed unipolar champion – that is not the case now.
  10. would anyone fight for folkstone or want it :twisted:
  11. Of course, Sergey, China's huge and increasingly well equipped and technically proficient military is of no concern to Russian strategists, is it?
  12. Russians have an increasing tendancy to blame the Chinese for their woes. The old 'Yellow Peril' mentality has reasserted itself with a vengeance, on top of the normal background xenophobia and racism.

    It's not like they can actually do anything about it, though, but it's easier and more comforting to blame the 'others' than sort yourself out.
  13. As is ever the case!
  14. Hi Andy!

    As for illegal immigrants then Russia is not the UK in this respect. The Chinese in Russia are in fact rightless. If needed they they would be expelled without any setiments. Now they are usefull. But the Chinese in Russia know pretty well who is "da mastah in da haus". They are calm, hardworking, not complaining creatures.

    Permanent permission to live in Russia (mereover Russian citizenship) for many is a golden dream.