US and UK wearing Multicam in Afghanistan

#1
(Yes I know there are a couple of Multicam threads - but this is specifically to discuss the topic of US and British troops working together and wearing the same camo.)

The very excellent 'Firearms Blog' posted up an interesting tidbit about the US Department of Defence announcement that the US Army will be adopting MULTICAM for it's soldiers in Afghanistan...

"LTC Cummings of the Army Public Affairs Office has confirmed that the Secretary of the Army, the Honorable John McHugh approved a plan today to begin the fielding of MultiCam uniforms and individual equipment as soon as possible"

With the British Army adopting MTP (aka Multicam remnants!) does this mean there will finally some tangable proof of convergence between the US and UK armed forces? (>Lites blue touch paper<)

Seriously, I wonder how people feel about the *possibility* of UK and US troops serving together wearing the same camo?

I find this interesting - as when MTP was launched the MoD spokesperson said that MTP was adopted - in part - to establish a distinctive 'corporate identity' for the British Army. So where does that leave us now?
 
#2
Hey the yanks might not shoot at us so much!! :p
 
#3
instinct said:
Hey the yanks might not shoot at us so much!! :p
LMAO - that was exactly my thought!

What's the betting that when the Brit MTP arrives it has special recognition emblems attached to the back...

A BULLSEYE!
 
#4
beaty1961 said:
(Yes I know there are a couple of Multicam threads - but this is specifically to discuss the topic of US and British troops working together and wearing the same camo.)

The very excellent 'Firearms Blog' posted up an interesting tidbit about the US Department of Defence announcement that the US Army will be adopting MULTICAM for it's soldiers in Afghanistan...

"LTC Cummings of the Army Public Affairs Office has confirmed that the Secretary of the Army, the Honorable John McHugh approved a plan today to begin the fielding of MultiCam uniforms and individual equipment as soon as possible"

With the British Army adopting MTP (aka Multicam remnants!) does this mean there will finally some tangable proof of convergence between the US and UK armed forces? (>Lites blue touch paper<)

Seriously, I wonder how people feel about the *possibility* of UK and US troops serving together wearing the same camo?

I find this interesting - as when MTP was launched the MoD spokesperson said that MTP was adopted - in part - to establish a distinctive 'corporate identity' for the British Army. So where does that leave us now?
Wasnt it developed for the yanks in the first place and they dismissed it and went with the grey digital. I say tell them to F off they had their opportunity to snatch it up. :p
 
#5
Skarin said:
Wasnt it developed for the yanks in the first place and they dismissed it and went with the grey digital. I say tell them to F off they had their opportunity to snatch it up. :p
Yep - and I think everyone thought they made the dumb choice. What clown thought 'I SEE YOU' was a good idea?

--- It makes you wonder what the press will make of this, what with people winging that the Brits are 'just America's poodle' won't they jump on this to say 'see, we are even wearing the same uniform now'?

........Mind you, on the subject of wearing the same camo stopping 'friendly fire' maybe they should start giving it out to Afghan civilians! :eek:
 
#7
I know that the MoD says that MTP will be a modified variation of Multicam - and I don't want to open up a can of worms that has been done over in another thread - BUT they look decidedly similar to me!

That aside - and to keep on subject - I wonder if, when they guys work side by side, just how similar they will look?

And more importantly will MTP be close enough to teh parent Multicam to make mix and match an option? (Bearing in mind just how much Multicam kit is available commercially.)
 
#9
Yes, friendly fire, will the MoD be giving it to the Danes so your boys don't launch Javelins into them? Amazing how you never want to bring your blue on blue up, eh?

Then again, invest in aircraft that can perform CAS and you wouldn't have to worry, but you didn't ,so you have to beg CAS from us and the French and Italians. :twisted:
 
#11
Goldbricker said:
Yes, friendly fire, will the MoD be giving it to the Danes so your boys don't launch Javelins into them? Amazing how you never want to bring your blue on blue up, eh?

Then again, invest in aircraft that can perform CAS and you wouldn't have to worry, but you didn't ,so you have to beg CAS from us and the French and Italians. :twisted:
Friendly fire on Danes, French and Italians...?

One would have supposed that the statistical chances of this - i.e. these nations actually *wanting* to be in a real shooting war - are so low as to make the chances of blue on blue on them absolutely negelagable!
 
#12
BigRed99 said:
Their old woodland pattern was very similar to our DPM, it doesn't really make * all difference. Get a grip you sad cnut
Yes - I can see where you are coming from with that reply. The depth of the intellectual consideration, combined with the irony and wit that is almost Wilde-like. The grasp of retoric, positively Platoesque in it's seering grasp of the essential argument...

I bow to thee oh acrobat of lingusitic polemic. For thy oratory adroitness blinds me in it's shining finesse...

>neech<
 
#13
Both were wearing Olive drab uniforms in the early 60s before DPM came in, '60 pattern according to ARRSEpedia...
 
#14
As long as it's free, I'll continue to wear whatever colour is fashionable this week. We started wearing FAD last week, which strikes me as remarkably similar to 'old' barrack dress :) (albeit a different colour)
 
#16
Bradstyley said:
Both were wearing Olive drab uniforms in the early 60s before DPM came in, '60 pattern according to ARRSEpedia...
I though DPM combat suits were only introduced in about 1970. Wasn't the original '60 pattern kit OG and only later changed to DPM?

But you are right, both wore green uniforms of a very similar shade before and no-one mistook UK for US troops then. Like today, different styles and cuts of uniform, different helmets and other head-dress, different weapons etc.
 
#17
beaty1961 said:
Goldbricker said:
Yes, friendly fire, will the MoD be giving it to the Danes so your boys don't launch Javelins into them? Amazing how you never want to bring your blue on blue up, eh?

Then again, invest in aircraft that can perform CAS and you wouldn't have to worry, but you didn't ,so you have to beg CAS from us and the French and Italians. :twisted:
Friendly fire on Danes, French and Italians...?

One would have supposed that the statistical chances of this - i.e. these nations actually *wanting* to be in a real shooting war - are so low as to make the chances of blue on blue on them absolutely negelagable!
Wasn't it Danish Leo II tanks that supported the UK forces recently in Operation Moshtarak, plus their lads have been in a lot action, same with the Frog's....not sure about the Italians.
 

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#18
I noticed that the news this morning that the Portuguese Army deployed to Madeira are in DPM along with any number of other countries that use it. Why would it be an issue if we wear the same as the Yanks?

BTB IIRC The Greek Cypriot National Guard cam is very similar to MTP. That is multicam colours in a DPM pattern. Perhaps they will sue us.
 

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#19
BuggerAll said:
I noticed that the news this morning that the Portuguese Army deployed to Madeira are in DPM along with any number of other countries that use it. Why would it be an issue if we wear the same as the Yanks?

BTB IIRC The Greek Cypriot National Guard cam is very similar to MTP. That is multicam colours in a DPM pattern. Perhaps they will sue us.
So, can we deduce that MTP/Multicam is the new black?
 

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#20
beaty1961 said:
Goldbricker said:
Yes, friendly fire, will the MoD be giving it to the Danes so your boys don't launch Javelins into them? Amazing how you never want to bring your blue on blue up, eh?

Then again, invest in aircraft that can perform CAS and you wouldn't have to worry, but you didn't ,so you have to beg CAS from us and the French and Italians. :twisted:
Friendly fire on Danes, French and Italians...?

One would have supposed that the statistical chances of this - i.e. these nations actually *wanting* to be in a real shooting war - are so low as to make the chances of blue on blue on them absolutely negelagable!
I can't comment on the French and Italians, but having worked with the Danes the deployed lads are well up for a scrap.
It's been a steep learning curve for them but they got down to it and learnt their lessons well.

As far as I'm aware, for the country's size they've deployed the largest no. of troops and taken the most cas, (over thirty including the two killed in the blue-on-blue in 2007 that GB mentioned.)
 
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