Unusual US war grave

#1
I was in the local cemetery this weekend and on the way out I noticed this headstone. I thought all US graves were in specific locations or has this been a relocation by the family? It's located in Hawkhead cemetery in Stevenston. IMAG0475.jpg
 
#2
How do you know it is a grave for a yank?

Strange he died in 1949...
 
#3
It doesn't look like a typical WWII US grave stone. Most of them were shaped in the representation of denominational symbols(usually cross or star of David, but other shapes were included). The shape is similar to a commonwealth war grave stone, but it is unusual to not have the cap badge and the regimental number on it. The text is also not quite as is usually seen. It may be a private marker chosen to be like a CWG marker for soemeone who served, survived and died later.
 
#7
It is an official marker. You'll see exactly this type of headstone in Arlington National Cemetery among others.

18th Infantry Regiment, US 1 Infantry Division...... Wouldn't be the first 16 year old to lie about his age.
 
#8
It doesn't look like a typical WWII US grave stone. Most of them were shaped in the representation of denominational symbols(usually cross or star of David, but other shapes were included). The shape is similar to a commonwealth war grave stone, but it is unusual to not have the cap badge and the regimental number on it. The text is also not quite as is usually seen. It may be a private marker chosen to be like a CWG marker for soemeone who served, survived and died later.
Actually it is a US gov headstone like seen at Arlington. Typically the Cross type is used Overseas (Normandy as example)

Here's Audie Murphys at arlington
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/audielmu.htm

Recruit is an odd inscription though. Usually it would read Private 16th INF 1st Division
 
#9
Apologies - thought that those type were only used in CONUS - I should have been more specific. I have never seen that type overseas, but then there are always exceptions. I stand corrected. Would be interested to know if there are any rules etc. for US grave markers, like there are for CWGC one. Do you have any source of info?
 
#10
In the same cemetery there is s recent 2003/04 internment with what seems to be a non standard Portland stone headstone has lips /ledges as well as the curve at the top
 
#11
It's a guess, but I'd suggest that he may have been born in USA of Scottish parents (or perhaps emigrated to USA), joined the US Army, died in training and was buried in the family's cemetery in Scotland.
 
#12
Edited for plausibility, given the dates involved:

It's a guess, but I'd suggest that he may have emigrated to USA, joined the US Army, was severely injured in training and was buried in the family's local cemetery in Scotland when he finally succumbed to his injuries.
 
#13
Apologies - thought that those type were only used in CONUS - I should have been more specific. I have never seen that type overseas, but then there are always exceptions. I stand corrected. Would be interested to know if there are any rules etc. for US grave markers, like there are for CWGC one. Do you have any source of info?
I'm thinking whomever he was he was initially buried in the USA and then at some time exhumed and brought back to Scotland along with the headstone. US Army did allow families to have their dead brought home. For the purposes of awarding the WWII victory medal WWII dates are from 7 december 1941 -31 december 1946. there was no Minimum time in service, one could have enlisted in december 15th 1946 and been awarded the medal.

Unfortunately I cant find anything on this guy through NARA or ABMC
 
#14
Can't find him in "Find a grave in Scotland dot com" either.

Home

Plenty of Archibalds, Frews and Blades in Scotland, but can't find a recent reference to all three together, though the combination has been used in history.
 
#15
It's a guess, but I'd suggest that he may have been born in USA of Scottish parents (or perhaps emigrated to USA), joined the US Army, died in training and was buried in the family's cemetery in Scotland.
I agree, Have at one time or another served with joes from Ireland- Republic and Northern, China, Germany, Nicaragua, Brazil, Panama, Poland, "Palestine", Myanmar, Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Mexico, Jamaica*, Russia, Ukraine, and had 2 Canadians in my rifle company in Baghdad back in 04-05.


* we had a senior NCO in 1980's who had served British army and Jamaican defence force. he was British Army at Queen Elizabeth 2 coronation as a Pvt. He habitually Wore a WWI gasmask case on his chest as his map case in the field, did the stomping foot and palm up saluting facing movements. Carried his M16 like you guys did the SLR at the trail. Both his sons went to West Point as did a daughter.
We also had a Former Soviet Naval Infantry officer serving as a Sgt for the 08 Afghan tour and back in 85 I had a Machinegunner who was a Polish Army Senior Lieutenant before defecting. Smoked cigs with a Holder like FDR while humping the 60 through the boonies.
 
#16
Brettarider, can you confirm that the older gravestone beside it is also "Blades"? If so, do you have the details or a better pic of it?
 
#17
I'll be back down there later in the week and check I'll also hake a picture of the unsual portland head stone if anyone is interested? Thought it was a it of an odditiy when I seen it.

GB,
Did all the foreign nationals have to wait 5yrs to take citizenship before joining or did they get waviers?
 
#18
Not sure, there was the Lodge act which allowed certain foreigners to join and recieve citizenship, but IIRC that was in 1950 and wasnt for NATO countires citizens. I know a shitload of old Micks who served in Korea from my neighborhood who werent US citizens at the time. I believe it was 3 years in WWII era if serving.

My former Father in Law was Italian from Taranto. came to the states in Feb 1950, was drafted in July 1950 and in November 1950 was on a hillside in North Korea as the surviving member of an LP/OP surrounded by Chinese. Said he waited till daylight to come back into friendly lines because as he put it "I know english not so good then, think I give password in dark they think I'm Gook trick and shoot and not think I'm Peter" I know he didnt get his citizenship until 1952 just before being discharged. Said he could always smell Gooks even with his eyes closed because of the Garlic from the Kimchee.


Larry Thorne, aka Lauri Torni was a Finnish soldier, Waffen-SS officer and eventually a US Special Forces Major Killed in Vietnam with MACV-SOG in 1965.
 
#19
Cheers intersting stuff did the Ex-officers get fast tracked for promotion I'd imgine they were a bit more switched on than your average Tom going through the depot.
 
#20
If you can post a better resolution pic, I'll try the Superintendant of the American War Cemetery at Madingley. I have work links in that direction...
 
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