Untrained photogrphers are not allowed in Afghanistan

#1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310..._censorship;_ylt=AnWB.OG6o1xWXm29DhVgHV5w24cA

The U.S. military asserted that an American soldier was justified in erasing journalists' footage of the aftermath of a suicide bombing and shooting in Afghanistan last week, saying publication could have compromised a military investigation and led to false public conclusions.

The comments came Friday in response to an Associated Press protest that a U.S. soldier had forced two freelance journalists working for the AP to delete photos and video at the scene of violence March 4 in Barikaw, eastern Afghanistan. At least eight Afghans were killed and 34 wounded.

"Investigative integrity is one circumstance when civil and military authorities will reluctantly exercise the right to control what a journalist is permitted to document," Col. Victor Petrenko, chief of staff to the top U.S. commander in eastern Afghanistan, said in a letter Friday.

He added that photographs or video taken by "untrained people" might "capture visual details that are not as they originally were."
Victor Petrenko... Looks as its 80's now and I read an article by col.Peterenko in army newspaper Zvezda.
 
#2
Aside from OPSEC and consideration of families of victims there are very few reasons to not to allow publication of any footage. For me it comes down to a moral argument; it's the people's taxes that are paying for the war, and they should therefore be able to see what their money is being spent on.
 
#3
KGB_resident said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070310/ap_on_re_as/afghan_us_censorship;_ylt=AnWB.OG6o1xWXm29DhVgHV5w24cA

The U.S. military asserted that an American soldier was justified in erasing journalists' footage of the aftermath of a suicide bombing and shooting in Afghanistan last week, saying publication could have compromised a military investigation and led to false public conclusions.

The comments came Friday in response to an Associated Press protest that a U.S. soldier had forced two freelance journalists working for the AP to delete photos and video at the scene of violence March 4 in Barikaw, eastern Afghanistan. At least eight Afghans were killed and 34 wounded.

"Investigative integrity is one circumstance when civil and military authorities will reluctantly exercise the right to control what a journalist is permitted to document," Col. Victor Petrenko, chief of staff to the top U.S. commander in eastern Afghanistan, said in a letter Friday.

He added that photographs or video taken by "untrained people" might "capture visual details that are not as they originally were."
Victor Petrenko... Looks as its 80's now and I read an article by col.Peterenko in army newspaper Zvezda.
For once Sergey; I agree, this is hardly 'truth' is it?

Although not everyone will be aware of 'Isvestia' or 'Pravda'...
 
#4
The_Swede said:
Aside from OPSEC and consideration of families of victims there are very few reasons to not to allow publication of any footage.
OPSEC and the families be damned. There is no reason why any footage be erased. They did not just prevent the footage from being published, they erased it. There is no reason for that other than covering up a potentially embarrassing situation or outright crime. It wasn't the photographers' taxes that pay for the war but it's the world that wants to know what is going on regardless of who paid. If we want other countries to respect our journalists documenting events, we should respect their's as well as ours. If there is a question of OPSEC or exploitation, seize the footage and release it to the organization at a later date after possibly agreeing to some edits.
 
#5
Given the resentment expressed in this forum to photographic 'evidence' that has escaped into the public realm, I cannot see that anyone here can object at what was done. What is worthy of comment is the way it was done. Erasure should have been withheld until the footage had been viewed at a higher level than a grunt in the heat of the incident. So - yes to it being taken. Yes to it being reviewed and No to it being deleted on the spot.
 
#6
What was the old joke Sergei? There's no news in Pravda and no truth in Isvestia. Plus ca change and all that.
 
#7
So they just don't want the truth told.

Can't see why they're picking on journos though.

Telling the truth is the exception rather than the rule.
 
#8
brewmeister said:
What was the old joke Sergei? There's no news in Pravda and no truth in Isvestia. Plus ca change and all that.
There were some anecdotes of this sort. All of them were founded on names of Soviet newpapers.

Pravda = The Truth
Izvestia = The News
Sovetskaya Rossia (or Rossia) = Soviet Russia (or Russia)
Trud = The Labour (a newspaper of trade unions)

A conversation of a buyer and newspapers seller
- Pravda?
- There is no Pravda.
- Iszestia?
- We haven't any Izvestia.
- Rossia?
- Has been sold.
- Trud?
- Costs 2 copeeks. (very low price).

As I remember I was told this anecdote in the kindergarden.
 
#9
KGB_resident said:
A conversation of a buyer and newspapers seller
- Pravda?
- There is no Pravda.
- Iszestia?
- We haven't any Izvestia.
- Rossia?
- Has been sold.
- Trud?
- Costs 2 copeeks. (very low price).

As I remember I was told this anecdote in the kindergarden.
I'm surprised your teachers didn't end up in Siberia. I spent six months in St Petersburg in '92 and I remember being told similar by a Russian friend at the time. 15 Kopeks for a call from a public telephone (if they were working) and one Rouble to go anywhere on the metro. And vodka was the equivilant of 50p for half a litre. Happy days they were!
 
#10
brewmeister said:
I'm surprised your teachers didn't end up in Siberia. I spent six months in St Petersburg in '92 and I remember being told similar by a Russian friend at the time. 15 Kopeks for a call from a public telephone (if they were working) and one Rouble to go anywhere on the metro. And vodka was the equivilant of 50p for half a litre. Happy days they were!
I was in St Petersburg in 2004. Inflation is a barsteward. Vodka is now £2 per litre bottle! :D

The spams will do themselves even less favours in the international community now with this sort of carry on. The only reason that would require this sort of action would be a cover up-nothing else.
 

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#11
Apart from being downright wrong, the act of making the photographer delete his images on his digital camera was redundant. 'Erased' images can be easily recovered with commercially available software.

Col Petrenko's statement:
He added that photographs or video taken by "untrained people" might "capture visual details that are not as they originally were."
could have been lifted straight out of Orwell's "1984".
 

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