Unknown Regt/Corps

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  1. This soldier died in India 13th Sept 1893 in India. Any of you gurus have any idea of what Regiment/corps he belonged to? Old family shot turned up and no one knows his history really. So I thought of Arrse as a good starting point. Cant zoom in close enough for a decent look at his collar dogs. Any help appreciated.

    Vortex
     

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  2. Gunner?
     
  3. Yep Gunner
     
  4. Gunner. Thanks thats a starting point, he was from Yorkshire so obv a Yorkshire gunner regiment. I'll have to dig deeper. Cheers.
    Vortex
     
  5. Artillery units in India in 1891:

    Royal Horse Artillery
    A Battery - Meerut
    B Battery - Meerut
    C Battery - Umballa
    H Battery - Sealkote
    M Battery - Trimulghery
    N Battery - Mhow
    P Battery - Lucknow
    Q Battery - Umballa
    R Battery - Kirkee
    S Battery - Bangalore
    T Battery - Rawul Pindee

    Field Artillery
    2nd Battery - Agra
    5th Battery - Kamptee
    8th Battery - Rawul Pindee
    9th Battery - Cawnpore
    10th Battery - Mooltan
    15th Battery - Peshawur
    17th Battery - Neemuch
    19th Battery - Bangalore
    20th Battery - St. Thomas Mount
    21st Battery - Bellary
    22nd Battery - Bareilly
    24th Battery - Jhansi
    26th Battery - Ahmednuggur
    27th Battery - Ahmedabad
    28th Battery - Kurrachee
    31st Battery - Barrackpore
    34th Battery - Allahabad
    35th Battery - Kirkee
    36th Battery - Hyderabad
    38th Battery - Trimulghery
    39th Battery - Ferozepore
    42nd Battery - St. Thomas Mount
    43rd Battery - Lucknow
    44th Battery - Jubbulpore
    46th Battery - Fyzabad
    48th Battery - Nusseerabad
    50th Battery - Campbellpore
    51st Battery - Dinapore
    53rd Battery - Kirkee
    54th Battery - Nowgong
    55th Battery - Kirkee
    59th Battery - Neemuch
    60th Battery - Mean Meer
    61st Battery - Bangalore
    65th Battery - Jullundur
    68th Battery - Mean Meer
    70th Battery - Meerut
    71st Battery - Meerut
    72nd Battery - Deesa
    76th Battery - Belgaum
    78th Battery - Saugor
    79th Battery - Trimulghery

    Mountain Artillery
    1st Battery - Rawul Pindee
    3rd Battery - Murree Hills
    5th Battery - Umballa
    6th Battery - Rawul Pindee
    7th Battery - Quetta
    8th Battery - Umballa
    9th Battery - Rawul Pindee

    Garrison Artillery
    Eastern Division
    4th Battery - Ferozepore
    8th Battery - Allahabad
    14th Battery - Rawul Pindee
    15th Battery - Delhi
    21st Battery - Fort St. George
    22nd Battery - Trimulghery
    23rd Battery - Jhansi

    Southern Division
    3rd Battery - Bombay
    11th Battery - Bombay
    18th Battery - Kurrachee
    20th Battery - Barrackpore
    21st Battery - Calcutta
    24th Battery - Campbellpore
    28th Battery - Agra
    33rd Battery - Ceylon
    43rd Battery - Ceylon

    Western Division
    2nd Battery - Quetta
    6th Battery - Roorkee
    11th Battery - Rawul Pindee
    12th Battery - Kirkee
    13th Battery - Mhow
    16th Battery - Roorkee
    22nd Battery - Bombay

    The Army and Navy Gazette, 1891

    http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/CGSC/carl/nafziger/891CAD.pdf


    1 and 11 Batteries Field Artillery were based in Sheffield at that time (to follow your Yorkshire theme), though there's no guarantee that your relative served with them at any time. The link shows the officers in the various Artillery units in 1891.

    The new annual army list, militia list, yeomanry cavalry list, and Indian civil service list

    By 1902, the ORBAT became:

    PUNJAB-
    D Battery RHA, Umballa
    F Battery RHA, Rawalpindi
    I Battery RHA, Umballa
    K Battery RHA, Sialkot
    74 Company RGA, Thobba
    2 Mountain Battery RGA, Bara Gala
    3 Mountain Battery RGA, Kalabagh
    5 Mountain Battery RGA, Jutogh
    7 Mountain Battery RGA, Jutogh

    BENGAL-
    H Battery RHA, Meerut
    J Battery RHA, Rawalpindi
    1st Brigade RFA-13/Meerut, 67/Jullunder, 69/Muttra
    4th Brigade RFA-7/Jhansi, 14/Cawnpore, 66/Jhansi
    5th Brigade RFA-63/Allahabad, 64/Cawnpore, 73/Ahmednagar
    34th Brigade RFA-50/Agra, 70/Bareilly
    35th Brigade RFA-27/Dinapoe, 36/Barrackpore, 60/Allahabad
    36th Brigade RFA-15/Fyzabad, 48/Lucknow, 71/Bareilly
    38th Brigade RFA-24/Meerut, 34/Campbellpore, 72/Meerut
    39th Brigade RFA-46/Meeanmeer, 51/Ferozepore, 54/Meeanmeer
    44th Brigade RFA-3/Campbellpore, 30/Fyzabad, 57/Meeanmeer
    45th Brigade RFA-11/Meeanmeer, 52/Jubbulpore, 80/Nowgong
    42 Siege Battery RGA, Rurkee
    43 Heavy Battery RGA, Multan
    51 Siege Battery RGA, Rurkee
    59 Company RGA, Ferozepore
    65 Company RGA, Delhi
    68 Company RGA, Rurkee
    69 Company RGA, Agra
    71 Siege Battery RGA, Nowgong
    72 Heavy Battery RGA, Nowgong
    75 Company RGA, Allahabad
    77 Company RGA, Calcutta
    85 Company RGA, Bararckpore
    86 Company RGA, Multan
    90 Heavy Battery, Campbellpore
    91 Siege Battery RGA, Rurkee
    6 Mountain Battery RGA, Murree

    BOMBAY-
    12th Brigade RHA-P & R Batteries, Mhow
    41st Brigade RFA-32/Deesa, 33/Karachi, 47/Hyderabad
    52 Company RGA, Bombay
    53 Company RGA, Bombay
    60 Company RGA, Bombay
    73 Company RGA, Quetta
    76 Company RGA, Bombay
    82 Company RGA, Quetta
    1 Mountain Battery RGA, Quetta
    8 Mountain Battery RGA, Quetta
    9 Mountain Battery RGA, Quetta

    MADRAS-
    E Battery RHA, Kirkee
    L Battery RHA, Secunderabad
    3rd Brigade RFA-18/Kirkee, 62/Kemptee, 75/Ahmednagar
    25 Field Battery RFA, Bangalore
    37th Brigade RFA-31/Belgaum, 35 & 55/St Thomas Mount
    40th Brigade RFA-4, 23, 49 Batteries-Trimulgherry
    42nd Brigade RFA-29/Kirkee, 40/Bangalore, 45/St Thomas Mount
    43rd Brigade RFA-1/Ahmednagar, 6/Secunderabad, 41/Nasirabad


    Meanwhile, back in Yorkshire at that time:

    15th Brigade RFA-5, 9, 17 Field Batteries, Sheffield
    19th Brigade RFA-95, 96, 97 Field Batteries, Leeds
    21st Brigade RFA-101, 102 Field Batteries, Leeds

    http://orbat.com/site/uk_orbats/files/open/uk_army1902.pdf

    Searching through their records should keep you busy for a while...
     
  6. OP said from Yorkshire - and he's obviously not a PARA.
     
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  7. Deffinately looks like a gunner.
     
  8. He's wearing spurs. The trousers look darker than the jacket, suggesting it's red? The "trefoil knot" on the cuffs suggests cavalry, as does the rounded front of the tunic. The trefoils also look quite thick, suggesting the gold braid of an officer rather than the yellow or white worsted cord of a soldier. The cap is a pill-box, commonly worn by the cavalry in undress. Finally, I don't think the devices on his collar are badges, but the pips of a subaltern. They were worn in this position in the late 1860s into the 1870s.
     
  9. Looks like a gunner when compared with a known RHA/RHA/RGA photo

    1767540358e863_o.jpg

    Described as: Royal Artillery gunner ca. 1900. 9 button full dress tunic and a pill box forage cap (replaced 1902). Belt from 1888 "Slade Wallace" pattern.

    Link: Royal Artillery Gunner
     
  10. Don't ya just hate these Walts!
     
  11. Bottom of the tunic and the shoulder straps are different to the gunner above. The gunner's are squared and shoulder cords respectively...

    You could always send it in to the National Army Museum? They've got blokes there who could probably tell you who made the uniform!!