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Universal free school meals

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During hols they get vouchers to spend at local food outlets.
So they don't get a 'free school meal', just more money goes to parents. Hhhhmmmm!
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
I know this is a simplistic view, but, people who cant afford to feed them, really shouldn't have children; but, how else does one get on the social housing priority list? It is arguably a state self inflicted wound.
 
I know this is a simplistic view, but, people who cant afford to feed them, really shouldn't have children; but, how else does one get on the social housing priority list? It is arguably a state self inflicted wound.

Generally a lot of parents can afford to feed their kids, they just chose not to because the state will provide.
 
£1.30 instead of your £1.99 plus leccy/gas, half rye, no preservatives and no washing up.

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Maybe so but you don't get the satisfaction of providing yourself or the aroma of freshly baked bread wafting through the house. Plus if you do have kids get them involved too.
I put the prices in as a basis but lets assume most households have flour and salt in already. so the yeast, there is about enough for I would estimate 30 cobs in a pot so it works out super cheap really. Plus you don't need to go round your local polish shop and end up spending the rest of your budget on Tyskie and then forget about eating or feeding the kids anyway :)
 
Load of bolloux, basic foods are so cheap no children are going hungry unless their parents have spent the money on other things.

That Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney channel subscription and ultra HD TV to watch them on isn't going to pay for itself! Nor are the tattoos, smartphone on £60 a month contract, Xbox/Playstation with subscription to online services and in game micro transactions for the kids, "lunch date and drinks with my besties" three times a week, Just Eat takeaways several times a week, brand new high end car on lease, hot tub in the back yard, lip fillers, eyebrow threading, nail bar appointments, fags or E-liquids, multiple weekly orders from ASOS, gaudy house tat from TK Maxx or Ikea, "Live, Laugh, Love" wall stencils, iPad and smart phones each for the kids and designer brand trainers and clothes for them.

Actually putting (nutritious) food in their mouths is way down on the list of priorities, the government should pay for that and they're evil if they don't.
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer
I once followed a house entry team executing a drugs warrant into a Housing Association property some 6 months old, home to 2 Adults, 3 children. The house was totally trashed inside, there was no food in the kitchen, other than the remnants of alot of takeaways. The 3yo helped me search thd kitchen as it was probably more positive attention than she was used to - not much of a life to look forward to.
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
Both according to those shouting the loudest, because we're a well off country on the world scale they interpret this as bottomless money pit where every available penny should be spent on providing everyone with the lifestyle they want without them having to work for it. I'm waiting for the "scrap trident and no kid will ever go hungry again" argument to start again.
Or we could just scrap kids and keep Trident (just in case we might need it)
 
I can’t be arrsed or read the whole thread because........ Well I can’t be arrsed!

We live in a world today where the UK government has thrown 11 billion quid at a number of private companies and it seems, some individuals who in grateful return for the money who done the square root of eff all in terms of getting this virus under control and providing specialist equipment to make people safer.

3 billion quid of that money was passed over without any tendering process whatsoever and the main criteria seems to be personally knowing a government minister or knowing someone who knows a government minister and suggesting that they throw several million quid at you and you may or may not do something in return.

If perchance, you do actually carry out some form of service in return for the government having just set you, your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren and several more generations of your family up for a life of luxurious idleness courtesy of todays tax paying public, there isn’t any real obligation to do that service to any level of quality that might actually make it worth the money you received for providing it in the first place!

There are several examples of stuff like this happening and I personally hope they all end up in the dock and at least have to repay the money but the reality is that there is more chance of hell freezing over than there is of recovering any of this money.

So 11 billion quid being sp*nked up the wall is fine but we can’t give kids living in poverty one decent square meal a day!

I don’t care what their mummies and daddies do. Some of them will undoubtedly be absolutely belters who could’t care less whether their children eat or not. Others will be loving parents who for reasons beyond their control have been unable to provide food for their kids. It’s a mixture but whether mum and dad don’t care or whether they do care, it’s really about putting food in a child’s stomach that is what we should all be really concerned about.

There are many parts of the world where children starve and there is very little that people can do about it.

The UK doesn’t have any excuse though. We are apparently the fifth largest economy in the world. The cost of ensuring that every child has a decent meal doesn’t add up to the equivalent of a grain of sand in a very large pile of it. We could easily do it and we should!

The reward for carrying out this simple exercise will be noticeable in the future. It’s the humane thing to do. Children who find themselves starving and have no access to decent food become a burden on other costly services. Social services, the NHS and other publicly funded services will need to get involved and that really does cost us.

It’s also a logically right thing to provide decent food. Children with proper nutrition thrive both physically and mentally. A well fed child will be an inquisitive child with an interest in learning. Learning is knowledge that becomes formalised through qualifications and qualifications lead to employment in better paid jobs.

The only real path out of poverty is to get a good job. Decent nutrition for children will be an enormous advantage to getting on that path.

So let’s take a couple of million a year out of that 11 billion quid and actually spend it on something that is vitally just as important as defeating the coronavirus pandemic and which will lead to huge inroads being made into the levels of poverty that are also a huge pandemic threatening this country!
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
Clearly they are charging to much as a hotel if they can subsidise kids meals
At between £50 - 65 a night, that's a bargain. They are obviously using the chefs onsite to create these meals (chefs that would be/or are furloughed and claiming the food as a tax write off whislt virtue signalling what absolute stars they are. We should send @jarrod248 round to, quoting the vernacular, "**** their shit up".
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
I can’t be arrsed or read the whole thread because........ Well I can’t be arrsed!

We live in a world today where the UK government has thrown 11 billion quid at a number of private companies and it seems, some individuals who in grateful return for the money who done the square root of eff all in terms of getting this virus under control and providing specialist equipment to make people safer.

3 billion quid of that money was passed over without any tendering process whatsoever and the main criteria seems to be personally knowing a government minister or knowing someone who knows a government minister and suggesting that they throw several million quid at you and you may or may not do something in return.

If perchance, you do actually carry out some form of service in return for the government having just set you, your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren and several more generations of your family up for a life of luxurious idleness courtesy of todays tax paying public, there isn’t any real obligation to do that service to any level of quality that might actually make it worth the money you received for providing it in the first place!

There are several examples of stuff like this happening and I personally hope they all end up in the dock and at least have to repay the money but the reality is that there is more chance of hell freezing over than there is of recovering any of this money.

So 11 billion quid being sp*nked up the wall is fine but we can’t give kids living in poverty one decent square meal a day!

I don’t care what their mummies and daddies do. Some of them will undoubtedly be absolutely belters who could’t care less whether their children eat or not. Others will be loving parents who for reasons beyond their control have been unable to provide food for their kids. It’s a mixture but whether mum and dad don’t care or whether they do care, it’s really about putting food in a child’s stomach that is what we should all be really concerned about.

There are many parts of the world where children starve and there is very little that people can do about it.

The UK doesn’t have any excuse though. We are apparently the fifth largest economy in the world. The cost of ensuring that every child has a decent meal doesn’t add up to the equivalent of a grain of sand in a very large pile of it. We could easily do it and we should!

The reward for carrying out this simple exercise will be noticeable in the future. It’s the humane thing to do. Children who find themselves starving and have no access to decent food become a burden on other costly services. Social services, the NHS and other publicly funded services will need to get involved and that really does cost us.

It’s also a logically right thing to provide decent food. Children with proper nutrition thrive both physically and mentally. A well fed child will be an inquisitive child with an interest in learning. Learning is knowledge that becomes formalised through qualifications and qualifications lead to employment in better paid jobs.

The only real path out of poverty is to get a good job. Decent nutrition for children will be an enormous advantage to getting on that path.

So let’s take a couple of million a year out of that 11 billion quid and actually spend it on something that is vitally just as important as defeating the coronavirus pandemic and which will lead to huge inroads being made into the levels of poverty that are also a huge pandemic threatening this country!
Did your parents going running to the Govt shouting "that they had to feed you"? No, they just got on with life and went without little luxuries. Those luxuries these days seem to have become the neccesities, see the list by @Tricky1982 on post#112 as a prime example. It's not a case of needing these things, it's a case of wanting them and I'll have them no matter what it costs or who it inconveniences!
 

Truxx

LE
So they don't get a 'free school meal', just more money goes to parents. Hhhhmmmm!
Just heard a snippet on the Vine radio programme whereby a school teacher was recounting her experience of the summer hols where she was inundated with calls from irate parents complaining that they could not exchange the vouchers for booze and fags....
 
Load of bolloux, basic foods are so cheap no children are going hungry unless their parents have spent the money on other things.

For the sort of parents who pump out kids for a free home and a life on benefits, their priority is never going to be focused on the kids welfare, not when they can spend their money on Sky TV, huge 4k tellies, booze, drugs, fags, takeaways and lottery tickets, and then get the state to feed the kids for free

For some children are a source of income not something to be nurtured
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
At between £50 - 65 a night, that's a bargain. They are obviously using the chefs onsite to create these meals (chefs that would be/or are furloughed and claiming the food as a tax write off whislt virtue signalling what absolute stars they are. We should send @jarrod248 round to, quoting the vernacular, "**** their shit up".
It’s truly shit there too, beautiful building, crap food, can’t keep chefs.
 
Maybe so but you don't get the satisfaction of providing yourself or the aroma of freshly baked bread wafting through the house. Plus if you do have kids get them involved too.
I put the prices in as a basis but lets assume most households have flour and salt in already. so the yeast, there is about enough for I would estimate 30 cobs in a pot so it works out super cheap really. Plus you don't need to go round your local polish shop and end up spending the rest of your budget on Tyskie and then forget about eating or feeding the kids anyway :)
I wouldn't assume that most households of the type described in this thread had flour, salt probably. Also that was ASDA's price for that loaf.
 

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