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Universal free school meals

People complain about young mothers doing nothing for their kids but there are exceptions.

A young neighbour, late 20's, has 2 kids and is currently furloughed, her mother has an allotment she potters about in, the young woman has spent most of this year working on the allotment and now has so much veg she pops round to the older neighbours and gives them fresh veg.
Any pics of her with her pumpkins or marrows on display?
 

Themanwho

LE
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You haven't got too long left then?


Personally I don't see why we should provide food for kids at school.

If you have kids, feed them.
I made this point to SWMBO who teaches in a speshul school, she disagreed vehemently, saying kids in her charge need the free meals to keep them healthy, and that there is "real poverty" . I called bullsh1t, considering what she's told me about the benefits available to parents or carers of mongs and suggested that with all that cash, any kid who isn't being fed is being neglected, and taxpayers are being cheated. She came back with an argument that if vouchers for meals were given that would be better, whether instead of current benefits or in addition to them I'm not sure (Imho yes to the former, hell no to the latter).
 
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@Ortholith

I have read somewhere thatschool teachers are able to accurately predict just what sort of family / background a pupil comes from, and how they are likely to behave -based on their names. The Jaydens , Kaydens and Jaxxons are more likely to come from chav families and to be a general pain in the arse.

Any truth in this?
Yes...
Scunner parents who can’t spell usually did badly at school and have no respect for education.
Parents who give their kids weird names are usually from the shallow end and think that being ‘different’ will gain them respect.
Parents who give their kids ‘ghetto’ names (google it) usually have a ‘ghetto’ mindset.
... and so on...
I never met a Kayden who wasn’t a prime ärse.
 
The real world is very different to yours, stacker. I’m not here to take the piss, or otherwise. I understand you spent many years in the army. I left many years ago, and heard that abuse and neglect happened in MQs. I then became a copper and have done other jobs since leaving that.
It‘s not about the lazy or feckless (god knows they are out there). Benefits are not rewarding the feckless, they are there to help those who need it.
I really hope you and yours will never need them. I really do. In the meantime, count your blessings, pay your taxes, and again show respect to the people who try and look after the people society left behind.
as a young service fireman at one of my first MQ fires my job was to stand at the front door and prevent the local fire crew access such was the shit order of the MQ
 
Highly unlikely to be isolated incident either as ASDA staff abused by patents using vouchers for Beer & Bras etc.


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According to that article, it says that only alcohol specifically cannot be bought with these vouchers. The SNAP (food stamps) system in USA, they are given a special card with credit on it, and only approved items can be purchased with that card.
 
I agree RCT. I would just add, add to the school meals elements of teaching. When children are old enough, they can begin to learn to prepare basic meals. It would be a useful skill for children from all backgrounds.
Going back to the 60's they called it domestic science.
Kids (mainly girls) made meals using their (taught) knowledge of calories vitamins and cost. Most of them utilized this knowledge in later life when they had their own kids.
 
Home economics was part of the State school curriculum in the 70's .
Presumably replaced by " Takeaway studies in a culturally diverse environment " now ...

Going back to the 60's they called it domestic science.
Kids (mainly girls) made meals using their (taught) knowledge of calories vitamins and cost. Most of them utilized this knowledge in later life when they had their own kids.

Same here re. school - it was a useful thing to learn. I am not sure what goes on in schools now. Whenever my nieces and nephews make things at school, it is cakes - which is something but not at useful as learning to cook, etc.
 
There is a difference between teaching a subject and what you're suggesting.

As a lesson time will be set aside for teaching the pupils, what you propose is slightly different. Have you given any thought as to who's going to be manning these clubs? I suspect qualifications would be needed to start teaching food prep and the like.

Also would they be compulsory?

I'm not having a dig I just don't feel you've thought it through.
They managed it in the 60's
 
Same here re. school - it was a useful thing to learn. I am not sure what goes on in schools now. Whenever my nieces and nephews make things at school, it is cakes - which is something but not at useful as learning to cook, etc.
The little buggers cook proper meals at my place. Someone decided they would do fajitas on the day I forgot to bring lunch and the corridor smelled like a takeaway the whole day. I'm sure they do it on purpose.
 
I can’t be arrsed or read the whole thread because........ Well I can’t be arrsed!

We live in a world today where the UK government has thrown 11 billion quid at a number of private companies and it seems, some individuals who in grateful return for the money who done the square root of eff all in terms of getting this virus under control and providing specialist equipment to make people safer.

3 billion quid of that money was passed over without any tendering process whatsoever and the main criteria seems to be personally knowing a government minister or knowing someone who knows a government minister and suggesting that they throw several million quid at you and you may or may not do something in return.

If perchance, you do actually carry out some form of service in return for the government having just set you, your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren and several more generations of your family up for a life of luxurious idleness courtesy of todays tax paying public, there isn’t any real obligation to do that service to any level of quality that might actually make it worth the money you received for providing it in the first place!

There are several examples of stuff like this happening and I personally hope they all end up in the dock and at least have to repay the money but the reality is that there is more chance of hell freezing over than there is of recovering any of this money.

So 11 billion quid being sp*nked up the wall is fine but we can’t give kids living in poverty one decent square meal a day!

I don’t care what their mummies and daddies do. Some of them will undoubtedly be absolutely belters who could’t care less whether their children eat or not. Others will be loving parents who for reasons beyond their control have been unable to provide food for their kids. It’s a mixture but whether mum and dad don’t care or whether they do care, it’s really about putting food in a child’s stomach that is what we should all be really concerned about.

There are many parts of the world where children starve and there is very little that people can do about it.

The UK doesn’t have any excuse though. We are apparently the fifth largest economy in the world. The cost of ensuring that every child has a decent meal doesn’t add up to the equivalent of a grain of sand in a very large pile of it. We could easily do it and we should!

The reward for carrying out this simple exercise will be noticeable in the future. It’s the humane thing to do. Children who find themselves starving and have no access to decent food become a burden on other costly services. Social services, the NHS and other publicly funded services will need to get involved and that really does cost us.

It’s also a logically right thing to provide decent food. Children with proper nutrition thrive both physically and mentally. A well fed child will be an inquisitive child with an interest in learning. Learning is knowledge that becomes formalised through qualifications and qualifications lead to employment in better paid jobs.

The only real path out of poverty is to get a good job. Decent nutrition for children will be an enormous advantage to getting on that path.

So let’s take a couple of million a year out of that 11 billion quid and actually spend it on something that is vitally just as important as defeating the coronavirus pandemic and which will lead to huge inroads being made into the levels of poverty that are also a huge pandemic threatening this country!
Totally agree with this statement rgjbloke.
 

Truxx

LE
I made this point to SWMBO who teaches in a speshul school, she disagreed vehemently, saying kids in her charge need the free meals to keep them healthy, and that there is "real poverty" . I called bullsh1t, considering what she's told me about the benefits available to parents or carers of mongs and suggested that with all that cash, any kid who isn't being fed is being neglected, and taxpayers are being cheated. She came back with an argument that if vouchers for meals were given that would be better, whether instead of current benefits or in addition to them I'm not sure (Imho yes to the former, hell no to the latter).
But they are given vouchers.....
 
I made this point to SWMBO who teaches in a speshul school, she disagreed vehemently, saying kids in her charge need the free meals to keep them healthy, and that there is "real poverty" . I called bullsh1t, considering what she's told me about the benefits available to parents or carers of mongs and suggested that with all that cash, any kid who isn't being fed is being neglected, and taxpayers are being cheated. She came back with an argument that if vouchers for meals were given that would be better, whether instead of current benefits or in addition to them I'm not sure (Imho yes to the former, hell no to the latter).

It is a minefield mate.
The flak I take if I bring it up with my two boys, teachers protecting their kids.
I tend to stay well cle
 

miner69er

Old-Salt
In the 80's we had 2 kids. I was posted and her indoors was getting milk vouchers. Only reason we got these was a dole ite mate said we could an helped us to claim. Any way - upshot is you could trade vouchers for other items i.e booze and fags at the local shop. Approx value was 70p in the pound. Rug rats - the rae a political football.
As I said to the mrs on my return from belize - it aint poverty here love, try a week in Orange walk. (happy days)
 
As I said to the mrs on my return from belize - it aint poverty here love, try a week in Orange walk. (happy days)
Ah, yes. It's 'relative poverty'. If everyone else has got a BMW X5 and you only have a Ford Mondeo you are in relative poverty.

I'm still confused how anyone can claim that a family with a weatherproof building, electricity, running water and gas, enough calories to be fat as **** as well as multiple mobile phones and a TV can claim to be in 'poverty'.

I think by the published figures I was about 50 quid a week off being in 'poverty' a few years ago, despite managing to overpay my mortgage. Funny how different priorities can affect things.
 
But they are given vouchers.....
R4 on Friday reported that teachers in one school were fielding queries about vouchers not being valid for purchases of fags and booze...

If anything, my unfortunate time spent unemployed has made me more anti-benefits.

I got zero help from the government. Not even a reduction in council tax due to my savings and military pension. They were quick enough to raid my income once I started earning £50+ though. After I'd seen some of the antics of the unemployable.
 
R4 on Friday reported that teachers in one school were fielding queries about vouchers not being valid for purchases of fags and booze...

If anything, my unfortunate time spent unemployed has made me more anti-benefits.

I got zero help from the government. Not even a reduction in council tax due to my savings and military pension. They were quick enough to raid my income once I started earning £50+ though. After I'd seen some of the antics of the unemployable.

If some woke footballer on a ego-trip who is on 200k a week and a bunch of luvvies from Hampstead and Islington want to donate food to so-called "starving" school brats, let them get on with it.

As said en passim, the parents are probably not short of fags and booze-to say nothing of spliffs.
 

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