United Nations verdict on UK Human Rights Record

#2
Only in the Grauniad then? That is never encouraging reading.
If only the UN had some credibility in these here parts, and spoke from a position of honesty and impartiality, some others might give a fcuk.
Most will not.
 
#3
#4
Only in the Grauniad then? That is never encouraging reading.
If only the UN had some credibility in these here parts, and spoke from a position of honesty and impartiality, some others might give a fcuk.
Most will not.
Read the report in the 9 minutes it took you to respond to my original post then did you?
 
#5
While the committee's report concentrates on human rights violations that predate the 2010 general election, it repeatedly expresses concern at the failure of the current government to take steps to hold those responsible to account.
There for the grace of god walks Cameron. Which is why they would never offer up a minister or other to a criminal court as one day they know they will be out of office and it could be them next.
 
#6
Read the report in the 9 minutes it took you to respond to my original post then did you?
Didn't need to, read it online earlier and as soon as I saw Pat Finucane 1989 along with Baha Mousa "murder" had read enough.
I did wonder how long it would take an impartial person like yourself to pop up though?
Please now try and find someone outside Islington that gives a flying ****.
Nighty night
 
#7
Didn't need to, read it online earlier and as soon as I saw Pat Finucane 1989 along with Baha Mousa "murder" had read enough.
I did wonder how long it would take an impartial person like yourself to pop up though?
Please now try and find someone outside Islington that gives a flying ****.
Nighty night
There is no substitute for the power of reason is there? Glad to see you are exercising it having not bothered to read the document, seeing several buzz words and making up your mind.
 
#8
Whilst the report contains a few, isolated, valid points I'd be much more inclined to be concerned if the UN spent as much time and energy vilifying the real villains of the world.
 
#9
Whilst the report contains a few, isolated, valid points I'd be much more inclined to be concerned if the UN spent as much time and energy vilifying the real villains of the world.
Wasn't aware human rights were zero-sum game.
 

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#10
Didn't need to, read it online earlier and as soon as I saw Pat Finucane 1989 along with Baha Mousa "murder" had read enough.
I did wonder how long it would take an impartial person like yourself to pop up though?
Please now try and find someone outside Islington that gives a flying ****.
Nighty night
Baha Mousa was, very sadly, killed by British soldiers, and his death was covered up. The only person seriously convicted was a corporal. All Officers got away with it, pleading ignorance. It was a disgrace, utterly inexcusable, and made far worse by the closing-ranks of the Unit (1QLR) concerned. It will take us a long, long time to live that one down. It wasn't a heat-of-the-moment thing, like Bloody Sunday, or just made-up nonsense, like the current accusations about Danny Boy. It was prolonged, wilful and delibearte abuse leading to a man's death.

What I'm trying to say is - don't put it as "murder" in inverted commas, as if it was nothing of the sort. Yuo are just showing your prejudices. Soldiers are not plaster saints, they can get things wrong.
 
#11
The only person seriously convicted was a corporal.
Convicted to a whole 12 months for inhumane treatment. Not sure how "seriously" he was convicted!
 
#12
Wasn't aware human rights were zero-sum game.
They aren't, but the weighting is is far, far across the oceans from the UK.
 
#13
They aren't, but the weighting is is far, far across the oceans from the UK.
I agree but it doesn't excuse our violations to be able to point to lesser regimes.
 
#14
I agree but it doesn't excuse our violations to be able to point to lesser regimes.
Personally I think the country has far more pressing problems than to worry what other countries think of us. Staying out of other countries problems would be a good start and let the UN point the finger (at harder targets than gullible Britain).
 
#15
Stalin killed somewhere between 15 and 60 million people depending on how you measure.

Hitler was a nice guy then, eh?
 
#16
Personally I think the country has far more pressing problems than to worry what other countries think of us. Staying out of other countries problems would be a good start and let the UN point the finger (at harder targets than gullible Britain).
I am not particularly concerned with our international standing. More as a matter of principle I do not agree with the systematic attempts by successive governments to conceal torture, extra-judicial execution and undermine the rights of individuals to seek redress before the courts.
 
#17
Stalin killed somewhere between 15 and 60 million people depending on how you measure.

Hitler was a nice guy then, eh?
Precisely. Such utilitarian logic would make the Pinochets of this world noble gentlemen.
 
#18
I understand that it's important to hold the moral high ground in human rights issues but?
Exactly how high up is this 'moral high ground' we are trying to attain or hold on to and how will we know when we've got it nailed?
I only ask as I'm planing to have a party on that day and need to know what date to put on the invites.
 
#19
Whilst I can accept we have made human rights violations (which when we attempt to hold the moral high ground ourselves doesn't exactly work) - In comparison to other nations, such as Russia, or the US for example, we aren't even quite on the same level.

That said, I'm not entirely sure how you would get (admittedly, perhaps not reliable) information out of some individuals by giving them a cup of tea and a hug. The world doesn't work like that, unfortunately. Essentially, you're damned if you are percieved as soft, you're damned if you smack them with a big stick and are percieved as merciless.

When we get to the stage that we've mass murdered unarmed civilians, then this report might have a point. Until then, I think I'll take it with a pinch of salt.
 

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