Unit at cat 4

#2
I think you might be confusing this with Collective Training level.

msr
 
#4
Collective Training or CT level.

1 - Detachment
2 - Platoon / Troop
3 - Company
4 - Regimental

Should refer to the level that your specific unit operates, ie if your Regiment supports a Div but a Sqn supports a Bde then CT level 3 will e the Sqn working with its affiliated Bde.

Alternatively it could just be a type of cable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_4_cable
 
#5
I thought it went

1) Regimental
2) BG
3) Bde
4) Div

But I may well be barking up the wrong tree. Where is Proximo when you need him?

Reinforcements called forward in the Training Wing Forum.

Wait. Out.

msr
 
#9
msr said:
I thought it went

1) Regimental
2) BG
3) Bde
4) Div

But I may well be barking up the wrong tree. Where is Proximo when you need him?

Reinforcements called forward in the Training Wing Forum.

Wait. Out.

msr
Right - apologies for the small lecture...first some definitions:

Collective Training (CT). A collective training activity designed to contribute to a force element’s preparation for contingent or programmed operations. Within the Field Army, CT is to be used to define collective training activity.

  • CT 1: Training at up to troop / platoon level.
    CT 2: Training at sub-unit level.
    CT 3: Sub-unit training in a task organised unit or combined arms BG context.
    CT 4: Task organised unit or BG training conducted in a combined arms formation context.
    CT 5: Bde sized formation training.
    CT 6: Div sized formation training.
Note that the concept of 'context' features heavily.

Ok, so what, and what does this really mean to the training audience? CinC states that one of his main functions is 'the generation of Force Elements at Readiness' - this is often abbreviated to 'FE@R'.

FE@R consists of 5 main areas of focus:

  • Manpower.
    Equipment.
    Collective Performance.
    Sustainability.
    Deployability
Note that 'Collective Performance' (CP) is highlighted. After repeated Observations From Training (OFT) it became apparent that making CP a subset of 'FE@R' and commensurate with 'Equipment' and 'Manpower' (for example) resulted in an association of CP solely with collective training activity, and its separation from manpower and equipment as a separate component of military capability. The direct link between CP and Readiness was also questioned.

  • Collective Performance (CP). “An element of Fighting Power: the ability of units or formations to function as cohesive entities ……” which requires units to be manned, equipped, trained and sustained to an appropriate level. Within the Field Army, CP is a term used to describe the overall capability of a unit. It is not a term used to describe training activity or its outcome.
Accordingly, a 'new' term, Collective Training Competence (CTC), evolved to describe the combination of training standards attained during CT activity and the effect of elapsed time on those standards. The standards set for attainment during CT activity, are expressed as ‘ end states’ in new CT definitions (see above). By addressing CTC solely as a function of CT and time, the direct CP linkage with Readiness is broken. For example, a force element can now attain CTC5 but remain at R8 because of equipment deficiencies that would take 90 days to address. Equally, a force element might be at R2 and have trained to CTC3 (e.g. SLE).

  • Collective Training Competence (CTC). A continual measure of success of CT activity against criteria specified in Collective Training Definitions and against elapsed time. Within the Field Army, CTC is to be used to declare competence in relation to the highest CT activity last undertaken.
Put simply, the satisfactory achievement of CT activity end states enables the appropriate commander to declare a force element at the equivalent CTC level. So, for a battle group conducting satisfactory CT4 activity, a declaration of CTC4 would result. The Commander is then able to monitor that force element over time and, using military judgement, take account of factors that might degrade that competence, for example a change in key personnel or the fielding of new equipment.

The purpose of identifying the degradation of CTC is to trigger appropriate remedial CT activity such that a force element is able, with the appropriate equipment and manpower, to deliver CP.

The precise definition of Collective Training (CT) in relation to measurement of competence and readiness can therefore be summarised as:

CP = Manpower + Equipment + CTC + Deployability + Sustainability.

************************************************

I hope this helps - as usual, PM or ask for more clarification...
 
#11
There's no such thing - see above.

Collective Performance (CP) is held as an objective summative assessment of a whole range of activities (manpower, eqpt etc) including CTC, which is capable of being shaded i.e. CTC 1+.

Hope this helps!
 
#12
Proximo said:
There's no such thing - see above.

Collective Performance (CP) is held as an objective summative assessment of a whole range of activities (manpower, eqpt etc) including CTC, which is capable of being shaded i.e. CTC 1+.

Hope this helps!
Do you mean: 'a way of describing'?

msr
 
#13
Proximo said:
msr said:
I thought it went

1) Regimental
2) BG
3) Bde
4) Div

But I may well be barking up the wrong tree. Where is Proximo when you need him?

Reinforcements called forward in the Training Wing Forum.

Wait. Out.

msr
Right - apologies for the small lecture...first some definitions:

Collective Training (CT). A collective training activity designed to contribute to a force element’s preparation for contingent or programmed operations. Within the Field Army, CT is to be used to define collective training activity.

  • CT 1: Training at up to troop / platoon level.
    CT 2: Training at sub-unit level.
    CT 3: Sub-unit training in a task organised unit or combined arms BG context.
    CT 4: Task organised unit or BG training conducted in a combined arms formation context.
    CT 5: Bde sized formation training.
    CT 6: Div sized formation training.
Note that the concept of 'context' features heavily.

Ok, so what, and what does this really mean to the training audience? CinC states that one of his main functions is 'the generation of Force Elements at Readiness' - this is often abbreviated to 'FE@R'.

FE@R consists of 5 main areas of focus:

  • Manpower.
    Equipment.
    Collective Performance.
    Sustainability.
    Deployability
Note that 'Collective Performance' (CP) is highlighted. After repeated Observations From Training (OFT) it became apparent that making CP a subset of 'FE@R' and commensurate with 'Equipment' and 'Manpower' (for example) resulted in an association of CP solely with collective training activity, and its separation from manpower and equipment as a separate component of military capability. The direct link between CP and Readiness was also questioned.

  • Collective Performance (CP). “An element of Fighting Power: the ability of units or formations to function as cohesive entities ……” which requires units to be manned, equipped, trained and sustained to an appropriate level. Within the Field Army, CP is a term used to describe the overall capability of a unit. It is not a term used to describe training activity or its outcome.
Accordingly, a 'new' term, Collective Training Competence (CTC), evolved to describe the combination of training standards attained during CT activity and the effect of elapsed time on those standards. The standards set for attainment during CT activity, are expressed as ‘ end states’ in new CT definitions (see above). By addressing CTC solely as a function of CT and time, the direct CP linkage with Readiness is broken. For example, a force element can now attain CTC5 but remain at R8 because of equipment deficiencies that would take 90 days to address. Equally, a force element might be at R2 and have trained to CTC3 (e.g. SLE).

  • Collective Training Competence (CTC). A continual measure of success of CT activity against criteria specified in Collective Training Definitions and against elapsed time. Within the Field Army, CTC is to be used to declare competence in relation to the highest CT activity last undertaken.
Put simply, the satisfactory achievement of CT activity end states enables the appropriate commander to declare a force element at the equivalent CTC level. So, for a battle group conducting satisfactory CT4 activity, a declaration of CTC4 would result. The Commander is then able to monitor that force element over time and, using military judgement, take account of factors that might degrade that competence, for example a change in key personnel or the fielding of new equipment.

The purpose of identifying the degradation of CTC is to trigger appropriate remedial CT activity such that a force element is able, with the appropriate equipment and manpower, to deliver CP.

The precise definition of Collective Training (CT) in relation to measurement of competence and readiness can therefore be summarised as:

CP = Manpower + Equipment + CTC + Deployability + Sustainability.

************************************************

I hope this helps - as usual, PM or ask for more clarification...
Chr1st - we're supposed to understand this stuff? Has it got the crystal mark?

good job there isn't a war on.
 
#14
msr said:
Proximo said:
There's no such thing - see above.

Collective Performance (CP) is held as an objective summative assessment of a whole range of activities (manpower, eqpt etc) including CTC, which is capable of being shaded i.e. CTC 1+.

Hope this helps!
Do you mean: 'a way of describing'?

msr
Um.....broadly speaking 'yes'!

...with caveats... :D
 
#15
Proximo said:
msr said:
I thought it went

1) Regimental
2) BG
3) Bde
4) Div

But I may well be barking up the wrong tree. Where is Proximo when you need him?

Reinforcements called forward in the Training Wing Forum.

Wait. Out.

msr

CT 6: Div sized formation training.[/list]Note that the concept of 'context' features heavily.

So, for a battle group conducting satisfactory CT4 activity, a declaration of CTC4 would result.
?We were supporting a theatre troops 'Division', we had been Cat 4 for supporting this 'Div'.
 
#16
polar said:
Proximo said:
msr said:
I thought it went

1) Regimental
2) BG
3) Bde
4) Div

But I may well be barking up the wrong tree. Where is Proximo when you need him?

Reinforcements called forward in the Training Wing Forum.

Wait. Out.

msr

CT 6: Div sized formation training.[/list]Note that the concept of 'context' features heavily.

So, for a battle group conducting satisfactory CT4 activity, a declaration of CTC4 would result.
?We were supporting a theatre troops 'Division', we had been Cat 4 for supporting this 'Div'.
But if your BG/Regt was conducting 'training conducted in a combined arms formation context' as Mr Tracey quotes it would have been operating at CT4 to acheive CTC4. Only if the Division was being exercised in a full formation training role would you be CT6 and that level of training is beyond BATUS, probably last seen on Lionheart or pre Granby/Telic beat up training.
 
#17
Blyth_spirit said:
polar said:
Proximo said:
msr said:
I thought it went

1) Regimental
2) BG
3) Bde
4) Div

But I may well be barking up the wrong tree. Where is Proximo when you need him?

Reinforcements called forward in the Training Wing Forum.

Wait. Out.

msr

CT 6: Div sized formation training.[/list]Note that the concept of 'context' features heavily.

So, for a battle group conducting satisfactory CT4 activity, a declaration of CTC4 would result.
?We were supporting a theatre troops 'Division', we had been Cat 4 for supporting this 'Div'.
But if your BG/Regt was conducting 'training conducted in a combined arms formation context' as Mr Tracey quotes it would have been operating at CT4 to acheive CTC4. Only if the Division was being exercised in a full formation training role would you be CT6 and that level of training is beyond BATUS, probably last seen on Lionheart or pre Granby/Telic beat up training.
anyone know a good remedy for removing the indentations in the face from falling asleep on a keyboard???

I appear to have drifted off somewher halfway down page one....


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