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Union Flag on uniforms- Ulster ban

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Troops serving in Northern Ireland have been banned from wearing the Union flag on their uniforms after claims that it has offended nationalists.
The ban has infuriated soldiers posted to Ulster after returning from operational duty in Iraq, where the wearing of the badge is mandatory.

Lt Gen Philip Trousdell, General Officer Commanding in Northern Ireland, personally decided that it was inappropriate for soldiers serving in Ulster to wear an emblem that he considered "too emotive in the political climate". Lt Gen Trousdell issued the order after complaints from nationalists who claimed that the badge was "provocative".

The ruling has angered senior officers, soldiers and MPs.
One soldier recently back from Iraq said his battalion was proud to wear the Union flag. Sgt G Dalgliesh, of the King's Own Scottish Borderers wrote: "Now, as we embark on a two-year posting in Northern Ireland, we have to take them off. It's a disgrace."
 
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Whilst I have nothing against articles being cut and pasted, it would be useful to have the source, or better still a link to the original article.
 
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Wonder what Lt Gen Trousdell and Sgt Dalgliesh will have to talk about when they meet.

What the fcuk does he mean 'it's a disgrace'? What's 'disgraceful' about it? I'll put money on that Dalgliesh is one of these small minded Rangers Supporting, Red Hand flag owning, Bigoted Prod Jocks. Bet he's got a 1690 'No Surrender' tattoo as well (or at least his wife Senga has).
 
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This cxame from higher than just a commanding general. I suspect Bliar and number ten are at the heart of this, probably in response to something Adams demanded, and we know how BLiar likes to suck up to nationalists.

It's a fcking disgrace that members of the british army aren't allowed to have the british flag on their uniforms, and not just allowed, but to have to remove them having HAD to have them on it.

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Shotgun, your post edited , as unfortunately in the current climate, even jokingly suggesting a FMJ P.45 for the glorious leader, invites unwelcome attention :(

PTP
 
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Slim would have had them take the flags off, on the basis the job is hard enough, without minor irritations leading to another flashpoint and dramas.

Also, he'd tell them that they didn't need flag patches, to remind them they were the best soldiers in the world, IMHO.

I know it's petty, and I know people are hacked off, but if it stops one squaddie getting attacked, for the most puerile of reasons, then I'm for it.

If the ruling, was regarding the flying of the Union Jack at bases in the province, then I'd probably feel the way Shotgun does.

DS may have a point. I've met guys like that 8O
 
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Gunny Highway said:
™blondebint™ said:
I haven't added my own view here as it isn't formed as yet.
I'm still waiting for your views Blondeembarrassment. You've obviously done time in NI, so you can form an opinion.
I think it's probably a sound decision to remove the Union flag from our troops uniforms for now.
I can't think of any other environment where I would entertain it but loyalists are such antagonistic flag wavers that I'm sure that after the long history of the troubles the very sight of the Union flag causes offence to many republicans.
The Irish have to learn to live peaceably together. THAT has to be the overiding focus. It is not a sign of weakness for British troops to cool the waters as and where possible. It's a sign of maturity and respect for the hearts and minds of Irelands indiginous people that we don't add further to the angst there, nor appear allied to the loyalists who tauntingly wave our flag in the faces of other Irishmen.
 
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The Irish have to learn to live peaceably together. THAT has to be the overiding focus.
my view on that is it will never happen, while the politics is decided by religion that seperates them in the 1st place
 
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ex-dvr1 said:
my view on that is it will never happen, while the politics is decided by religion that seperates them in the 1st place
The politics is decided by bigotry, small mindedness, tradition, misplaced loyalty, superstition, angst and FEAR in the guise of true religious allegiance.
There is a long and very painful history in Ireland that cannot be swept under the carpet or dispensed with by abdication of responsibility or by finger pointing.
A time of truth and reconciliation would be painful and require searing honesty and a willingness from all to face the historical and current realities; each participant accepting responsibility for damage done.

Hopefully the day will come when that will be a reality.
 
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Gunny Highway wrote:
Where are you copying this from?

Blondedick wrote:

My dear Gunny- After a 2 year college course I took a three year Bachelor of Arts Degree(Hons) course.
It seems to be surprising you to realise I have a brain
I merely left out the long words in the Naafi bar so that you and your chums could keep up my dear
If Naafi bars are really such excremental low and male dominated places..(and I am now realising this is not just 'men behaving badly' but the actual way you are! )..where can female soldiers go to be themselves on their own terms and truly relax I wonder.....or as one is beginning to suspect...are female soldiers like 'that' for real ?!!
scary thought
Perhaps a topic worth having it's own thread.
Having a brain and having common sense is two totally different things. For someone with your (supposive) quals, giving out personal info over the internet doesn’t fill me with confidence. Besides, your talking boollocks. Chances of you having a degree……. Eh-errrr !!!
 
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Dirty Sanchez said:
Wonder what Lt Gen Trousdell and Sgt Dalgliesh will have to talk about when they meet.

What the fcuk does he mean 'it's a disgrace'? What's 'disgraceful' about it? I'll put money on that Dalgliesh is one of these small minded Rangers Supporting, Red Hand flag owning, Bigoted Prod Jocks. Bet he's got a 1690 'No Surrender' tattoo as well (or at least his wife Senga has).
AAAAAAAAAAARGGH!

That's just a load of Bollox.

Your assuming the Sgt is a Prod, he might not be!

Our country have done nothing but bend over backwards for the Republicans for the last 10 years;

Letting convicted murderers out of prison early
Renaming the police service so as not to offend
Pulling down security bases
Continually apologising for offensive operations against known terrorists when they can quite literally get away with murder
When will it all end?

I suppose that you'll want to ban wearing DPM next because it's too aggressive, how about we all dress up as leprechauns when we go out on our monthly patrols in Belfast and have embedded Gaelic speaking interpretors so we could really fit in with the poor repressed republicans?

So call me old fashioned, but I'd like to hold on to some of my identity in my own country
 

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