Understand ELC Allowance

#1
Hi all,
Darren here from UK Trades Training, anyone not sure about ELC, here is a simplified understanding of how to use them for training of your choice

Understanding ELC and how to claim for training

Enhanced Learning Credits (ELC) are an addition to the MOD allowances.
All recruits can register during your first years service, there is a further registration period between the 8 year and 8 and half year period, forms are available from education staff, education centres and ELCAS (Elcas - Enhanced Learning Credit Administration System)

People who were past their 8 and a half year point on 31st March 2004 who did not register cannot now join the scheme

Length of service required for levels

If you signed up for ELC
There are 2 levels of ELC
The first level currently £1000 is for an individual who has completed up to 4 years service

The second level £2000 is for anyone who has completed more than 8 years service

The entitlement is 80% towards the cost of the training up to the £1000 or £2000 levels, you must pay the remaining 20%, so if a course is £2500, ELC pay max £2000, you pay £500 for the second level (you can use your resettlement allowance for this payment, see below)

How long can you claim

ELC can be claimed for a maximum of 3 years which do not have to run consecutively,

You are only allowed to make 1 claim per financial year (April – March)

You are allowed to claim ELC for up to 10 years after leaving the forces (see below)

Choosing a Training provider

Your training provider must be registered with ELCAS and have a ELC Number which is 4 numbers

Any training that you take must be at level 3 or higher and produce a qualification at this level


How to use your ELC if you are still in service

1. Find an approved training centre that you with to do your level 3 training at

2. Contact them and provisionally book your dates for your course, no payment must be made

3. Contact you resettlement officer and ask for the simple ELC claim form

4. Fill out the form with your dates of training, the training centre name and 4 digit ELC number

5. Send the form to ELCAS and wait approx 4 weeks for a return letter of acceptance,

6. Arrange accommodation with your resettlement officer if you are in the last 2 years service

7. Send the letter from ELCAS to the training centre, this is when you will have to pay your 20 % course contribution

8. Turn up and complete course

9. Centre claims your 80% contribution

Resettlement Allowance

Everyone leaving the forces is entitled to a resettlement allowance currently £534, this can be used only once but can be used at any training centre of your choice, there is no level of qualifications involved with this allowance, any training, any where,

You will need to go to your resettlement officer and get a 1746 form

Process

1. Contact the training centre and send them the 1746 form
2. They will fax that back to you with the dates which you have agreed to train with the form stamped
3. You pay the full amount of the course
4. Book your accommodation which the forces will pay for
5. Do your training
6. You claim your £534 back with the 1746 form


Procedure for Claimants no longer in Service

Contact ELCAS on Elcas - Enhanced Learning Credit Administration System

The following information must be submitted to your Single Service Representative (address details below) a minimum of 25 working days prior to your course start date/registration date:

• Fully completed claim form (section 1, 2 and 3)

• Evidence of your last day of Service eg. copy of your discharge document, copy of P45 terminating employment, document stamped by regiment confirming leaving date

• A copy of your driving licence or passport
• A copy of a utility bill showing your home address
• Full information about the course that you wish to undertake to include your details of your registration date where applicable

• A copy of your Acknowledgment of Scheme Membership

• A letter explaining how your chosen course of study will contribute towards personal development

• Completion and submission of course evaluation form for all previous ELC funded
courses


Remember! If you are submitting your second or third claim you must complete your previous claim

Single Service Representatives


NAVY

ELC Manager NTE(ER2)
Floor 3, Mailpoint 3.3
Leach Building, Whale Island
HMS Excellent
Portsmouth
PO2 8BY
Tel: 02392 625954
Email: mailto: mailto: FLEET-FOST-TAEL3RRESETSO3C@mod.uk


ARMY

ELC Manager, DETS (A),
Zone 4, Floor 2
Ramillies Building, HQLF
Monxton Road, Andover
SP11 8HT
Email: mailto: elc@detsa.co.uk
Tel: 01264 381580 or 01264 381565


AIR FORCE

Learning Credits Administrator
Room 24, Hunter Block
RAF High Wycombe
Naphill, Buckinghamshire
HP14 4UE
Tel: 01494 495957
Flight Lieutenant Learning Forces - address as above Tel: 01494 495603
Email: mailto: 22TrgGp-LrngCreditsAdmin@mod.uk


So there you go, hopefully that has give you the process of how to use your entitlements for any course subject of your choice at level 3 or above.

We have had many force leavers train with UK Trades Training to use their ELC allowances. If you are interested in learning Plumbing, Plastering, Tiling, Locksmith, Decorating, Bricklaying or Kitchen Fitting and fancy a new career, check us out

Best Regards

Darren
Website UK Trades Training
 
#2
As ever, this is not quite correct - in fact it is positively misleading

ELC CANNOT BE USED TO PAY FOR ACCOMMODATION. End of

How much more of the sales pitch on the other post is inaccurate?
 
#3
Also a pain as i want to do a very specialist course but because they arent registered as ELC training providers (They have tried and cant apparently) Then i cant do the bloody course!
 
#4
Hi Codger

I cant see where your coming from about misleading accommodation

Under accommodation heading it says, 'ELC cannot be used for accommodation', but that is only if your outside the 2 year period, i was just meaning that accommodation can be sorted out, not from your own pocket, it wasnt supposed to be misleading, as you type you dont allways anylise it.

If you have left the forces and using your ELC then you will have to pay for all your own accommodation, if you are using your ELC within the last 2 years of your service, your unit clark will be able to sort out your accommodation and food allowance, this is done from their preferred supplier hotel list and they will book you into a hotel closest to the centre where you are training, this is on top of the ELC entitlements that you are allowed.

What generally happens is that they will pay 90% of the allowance for food (£25 per day) and your 90 % of your accommodation, this is normally advanced onto your wages, then you will pay for the hotel by your debit card but the money should be in your bank by then

There is also a stipulation to get accommodation paid for that you have to be outside 50 miles or 90 minutes from the training centre otherwise you will have to stay at you barracks and commute
We have 4 forces lads on at the moment all using ELC and are staying in the hotel that has been provided for them for the five week course they are attending

The post is very informative on how to use ELC, it is a guideline simplified rather than pages and pages from the CTP and ELCAS website

I mentioned my UK Trades Training because I put the post on but I would think that the info will be useful to anyone that is thinking of using ELC for ANY training company that is ELCAS registered.

Dont want to fall out with anyone just thought your comment was a bit harsh, ELC is one of those topics that is current and not fully understood judging by the amount of views, so hopefully this post makes things a bit simpler to understand

For full ins and outs go to ELCAS or your resettlement officer

Regards
Darren
 
#5
I think what he was referring to was that under the accommodation section you state:

ELC does not contribute towards accommodation for your course unless you are in the last 2 years of your service where all your accommodation costs will be paid for
This makes it sound like the ELC scheme is providing your accommodation costs if in your last 2 years of service. What you are actually meaning to refer to is the ability to use the Night and Day Subsistence allowances.
 
#6
Yes exactly
The origional post was to try and give a basic understanding of how to use ELC, sometimes when you type words out in a post, doesnt allways come over what your trying to get over

Thanks for pointing it out to me, hopefully most new what i was talking about

I get a lot of info from all the forces leavers that come on and book for our courses, we are dealing with ELC on a daily basis, just letting everyone know that its pretty straight forward to book any courses with any ELC training provider, they just have to be registered with ELCAS

Crimson has been trying to book a course with a training provider, if they are not registered with ELCAS then you cant use the entitlements, i know i had to submit a lot of paperwork and the company history for quality, service, what you can offer and financial status is quite strict

Regards
Darren
 
#7
Im not convinced you can claim subsistence allowance just because you are claiming ELC in your last two years. You get the subsistence allowance along with resettlement but if you have already used this with your resettlement grant then you wont get that food and accommodation money back again. So i used my accommodation etc when i did my resettlement course earlier this year, now if i want to do a course using ELC are you telling me i can claim food and accommodation again, i think not but hope you are right, if you are where do i get this in writing. If i cant, then the original post was misleading.
 
#9
Just confirming that ELC has NOTHING to do with subsistence allowance at all and the the initial post of the thread was very misleading.
 
#10
You are right, crimsonhussar. The post is misleading. Someone who gives their NTT has only 12 months max in resettlement but they can still use their ELC so this 2yr business is not exacly right either.
 
#11
This is mainly for codger

I'm currently in the process of resettling and I am currently on one of the 5 week courses UK Trades Training. I have met Darren and he is one of the most helpful people I've met, same goes for all his staff. Darren mentioned about this post and to be honest codger all Darren is trying to do is give people an outlined idea of how the ELC is broken down to fund a course from them.

I'd suggest that if you believe this information is incorrect then drop Darren a personal email advising him on how ELC should better be explained? After all this is a forum where people can come for helpful information yet people like yourself just sit and nitty pick (probes in work time as well) people's post.

Darren I'll give you the contact details you need to get all information from someone who deals with resettling soldiers on a daily basis.

Regards mick
 
#12
This is mainly for codger

I'm currently in the process of resettling and I am currently on one of the 5 week courses UK Trades Training. I have met Darren and he is one of the most helpful people I've met, same goes for all his staff. Darren mentioned about this post and to be honest codger all Darren is trying to do is give people an outlined idea of how the ELC is broken down to fund a course from them.

I'd suggest that if you believe this information is incorrect then drop Darren a personal email advising him on how ELC should better be explained? After all this is a forum where people can come for helpful information yet people like yourself just sit and nitty pick (probes in work time as well) people's post.

Darren I'll give you the contact details you need to get all information from someone who deals with resettling soldiers on a daily basis.

Regards mick
Which is fine and we all appreciate those that are trying to help, especially during periods such as resettlement. the issue was the information was wrong. The poster should have looked at the ELC aspects of resettlement rather than ELC alone, that is where it went wrong. Fundamentally the use of ELC has no direct link to food and accommodation charges. Resettlement makes that link but you do not have to use ELC to resettle although some choose to and then use their GRT funding to pay for food and accommodation etc. All Codger was doing is pointing out where there were inaccuracies, in fact agreeing with my original post. we are not saying it was wrong, just incomplete and therefore misleading. Nice bloke or not, he didn't get it right!
 
#13
does that mean they changed the rules then ?

before i was out i was given 2 years defered resettlement, when i left wiht that deferment the leaflet regarding the use of the elc and other entitlements was that i could go on an elc funded course of up to 35 days and get my accomodation + drsa but that it would be limited to one claim for it regardless of any other course(s) i choose to undertake for ressetlement up to the grant entitlement, that being the same terms as anyone in there last 24 months of service except that they could use up annual leave for the course and still make the claims again on grt (up to 3 claims)

but then again the chances of me being fit to even go on a course let alone attempt to find employment are limited so i doubt i will be using it ><

i knew the forces had cut things somewhat but this all seems to be rather drasticly disadvantaging people now if your correct....
 
#14
Christsakes this is hard work! If it is deferred resettlement then it means that you never used your GRT so still have it 'in the bank', its nothing to do with ELC. Nothing has changed and our friend Darren has just confused the issue by not fully understanding what he was talking about in the first place. resettlement is so important that you must consult your local AEC and make sure that you fully understand what you are entitled to and how best to make use of the various grants that you have. Remember you get your SLC every year too but they are also not linked in anyway to food and accommodation but that doesnt stop you from using them in conjunction with GRT to achieve more from your grant. Darren if your place needs a resettlement adviser then give me a shout because im due out soon and will gladly do it. I have already used all of my GRT but still have ELC (2 lots) so am pretty aware of what is allowed and not. Could i also ask that you dont try and help again unless you have fully researched the subject. For some very strange reasons there are people out there who actually believe some of the stuff that is put on this site and sometimes its very important that they don't.
 
#15
Ive tried to be helpfull in the origional post of using ELC and give a general understanding which is generally what a forum is about, if something was misleading it wasnt intentional and as you said crimson i wont be posting again or trying to help anymore as people would just rather put you down for trying, I take on board what people are saying as the accomodation bit could be misleading, but instead of a simple correction post there seems to be this attitude. I have taken all the section out on accomodation.

From the origional post they could take it further themselves and go into more personal details with the right people that actually deal with resettlement or entitlements which im sure will give them the correct advice as to what they are allowed to claim for.

Still i think that service leavers should know and have a general idea, so i think the best thing to do crimson or anyone else is for you to write out a full post like i did and clearly explain yourself all the allowances and rules so that the information will be beneficial and helpfull for someone that is looking for guidance.
If you do i hope nobody pulls it apart
 
#16
I dont think there is any need forme to try to write a complete post, thats what the various JSPs and the resettlement/education centres are for. The problem is darren is that from a readers point of view we have had an ELC registered company who carry out lots of resettlement, and good resettlement from what i have heard putting misleading information into a thread, not as a reply to clarify things but as a starter without really fully understanding it themselves. Wheres does that put your credibility in terms of guys calling you up for advice. When i did mine i spoke to several companies who knew as much about it all as the education centres, explained all the ins and outs etc. Im not sure tha you have done that very well and in return probably havent done yourselves any favours. What you probably should have done is thought the post out a little more and advised people to contact yourself for full details or go the resettlement office. Bottom line is Darren is that you gave misleading and confusing advise when there was actually no need to do anything, a little self advertising gone wrong i think.
 
#17
Hi there, I am currently half way through my 5 week self employment trade course (level 3) at UK Trades Training. First of all it is a great course and it is quite obvious from the start that all the instructors are SME’s who are not just helpful but actually go out of their way to help you!!
The reason that Darren started the post is that there are Armed forces personnel turning up for the course and they have been given the WRONG information by their education/resettlement staff for the paperwork to be processed. I know this as I was one of the Soldiers that the staff tried to fob off and tell me that I was not entitled to certain things. It did not take me long to put them in their place as I had read the JSP and immediately quoted it, needless to say they quickly backtracked. My point is everyone going through or just about to start the resettlement process should read JSP 534, so they know exactly what they are and are not entitled to.

If some, like Darren decides to post a thread with an aid to helping individuals, then good on him, so he was not quite accurate, why don’t you point him in the right direction rather than pointing out his mistakes and having everyone jumping on the band wagon, then we can get the correct information out there faster &#61514;
https://www.ctp.org.uk/assets/x/51979
 
#18
Thanks for the above post, we try and help out with a point in the right direction, as the above poster said we give a guideline and then point them in the direction of their resettlement officer or ELCAS who can give them the facts of what they are entitled to or not so in his case, The origional post was a very large post which is correct and very informative and all im getting is people picking up on one sentence in the origional post, which i stated that ELC CANNOT BE USED FOR ACCOMODATION, it was the bit after that (unless in the last 2 years of service) which should of said, If in the last 2 years of service then accomodation and food can be arranged with the night and day substance allowance which is what i was trying to get over in simple terms, as people said it might of came accross as misleading which is a fair comment and i take on board, a simple correction to the post was all that was needed instead of the negative comments about the whole lot.

Anyway glad your enjoying your 5 week course, just 2 weeks to go, see you on Monday mate for your plastering course

Regards
Darren
 
#19
Thanks for the above post, we try and help out with a point in the right direction, as the above poster said we give a guideline and then point them in the direction of their resettlement officer or ELCAS who can give them the facts of what they are entitled to or not so in his case, The origional post was a very large post which is correct and very informative and all im getting is people picking up on one sentence, which stated that ELC CANNOT BE USED FOR ACCOMODATION, it was the bit after that (unless in the last 2 years of service) which should of said, If in the last 2 years of service then accomodation and food can be arranged with the night and day substance allowance which is what i was trying to get over in simple terms, as people said it might of came accross as misleading which is a fair comment and i take on board, a simple correction to the post was all that was needed instead of the negative comments about the whole lot.

Anyway glad your enjoying your 5 week course, just 2 weeks to go, see you on Monday mate for your plastering course

Regards
Darren
See what i mean, you are still wrong if you have already used that subsistence with your GRT. ELC has no link to subsistence allowance, GRT does. It just so happens that you can use ELC alongside your GRT and in that instance the subsistence would apply. ELC can be used during your resettlement period but it is NOT linked to resettlement or that subsistence that is granted as part of the RESETTLEMENT package. Thats it im done now, just cant be arrsed anymore. I Was just trying to put you right so you can better inform your 'customers' but it seems that you still havent fully got it!

I would also add that i did actually ask a question in response to the accommodation comment but never got an answer, hence i felt the need to clear it up myself.
 
#20
I must have got something right as we have had hundreds people booked on our courses using ELC which nearly all of them have had accomodation as well, there are 5 on this week alone, thats all im saying, thats what the origional post was set out to say a basic guide to using ELC, it had to be basic as a lot of people are in different circumstances which changes things, and again im agreeing and saying that ELC does not contribute to accomodation, but accomodation can be got through other means which have been stated in the posts if the persons circumstances are right. I could go on more about the 50 mile rule for accomodation but thats another thing.
Whilst most of the other training centres are going bust in this economic climate we are still strong, that says everything about the quality and reputation we have as a training provider. So i have nothing to worry about the credibility comment you mentioned before. Im sure we both have better things to do, i think everyone has the message to enquire further into it with their resettlement officer
 

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