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This has been covered in many forums so far over the last week, but what I would like to know is what as the elected people members of the House of Commons will do to represent the majority of the people within the UK.

TV and Radio have all suggested that up to two thirds of the population would vote against the wearing of the burka in public! So if this is so much of a public outcry then why will those within the commons not listen to the majority?

We have had members of the House say it would be un British? What the hell does that mean apart from capitulation to a minority in our society? Come here and be part of our community and not where you came from. Yes we must listen but guess what this is Britain a land of many, but with a common purpose, we are British!

I am not racist in any way, as I believe that everyone must have a right to choose. But when this goes against their own religion and is imposed by a minority within their own community then why not let them vote?

Also why must motor cyclists take helmets off when they enter a public building when ladies wearing the burkas must not? Isn’t this discrimination on a separate level?

Give those made to wear Burkas a choice to say NO!

If that does not work then listen to us the Majority of British Citizens and say no to those we elect!
 
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Erm you cannot wear a hoodie in a lot of town centres so i don't see how this is any different from that.
 
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I can't think of an instance in history when 'British' was defined by the ordinary man. Certainly not the period when we were at our greatest.
 
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I think Ill just start wearing one for a laugh
 
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TV and Radio have all suggested that up to two thirds of the population would vote against the wearing of the burka in public! So if this is so much of a public outcry then why will those within the commons not listen to the majority?
Same reason as they don't listen to the 90% plus who would be in favour of abolishing taxation. There would be no significant benefit and it would hand islamo-nutters and human rights lawyers a stick with which to beat us.


I am not racist in any way,
Yes you are. So am I. So is every other living thing. It's the "selfish gene". Billions of years of evolution have ensured that we are all motivated by self interest and we all show favouritism towards those who are genetically similar to ourselves. But acting in accordance with nature can't be conflated with the malicious persecution of minorities, unless you work in the anti-racism industry.


Also why must motor cyclists take helmets off when they enter a public building when ladies wearing the burkas must not? Isn’t this discrimination on a separate level?
That's an excellent point. There are two cases that I know of of men wearing burkas to disguise themselves while committing serious crimes. There is a strong case for banning the wearing of burkas indoors in shops, banks and airports or anywhere that you need to wear a photo ID badge. Allowing people to wear burkas while having their passports checked in airports is insanity.

I understand that some universities ban students from covering their faces. They want to know that it's you sitting those exams and not some moonlighting PhD student.

Outdoors, let folks do what they like, but let nobody be subject to the wrath of the Human Rights Commission if they put a "no burkas" sign on their shop door.

Failing that, we must emulate the Jedi Knights and use next year's census to get 'Biker' classed as a religion. We can all walk about looking like The Stig and nobody will dare say a word.
 
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Same reason as they don't listen to the 90% plus who would be in favour of abolishing taxation. There would be no significant benefit and it would hand islamo-nutters and human rights lawyers a stick with which to beat us....
Oy! You don't get away with that. One case is a social issue for the residents in Elephant and Castle while the other is a Magna Carta thing.

...and Leicester, Bradford, Tipton etc.

OK, I'll give you that it's distinctly Alien vs Predator in Tower Hamlets...
 
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That's an excellent point. There are two cases that I know of of men wearing burkas to disguise themselves while committing serious crimes. There is a strong case for banning the wearing of burkas indoors in shops, banks and airports or anywhere that you need to wear a photo ID badge. Allowing people to wear burkas while having their passports checked in airports is insanity.
But I'm not sure it happens. Don't the wearers have to go to a female-only check-point like they do in Egypt, for example? Certainly passport photos have to be taken with no face covering.
 
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But Mr Green said such a move was "very unlikely" to be copied in the UK.

"Telling people what they can and can't wear, if they're just walking down the street, is a rather un-British thing to do," he told the Sunday Telegraph.

"We're a tolerant and mutually respectful society*.
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*unless your place of worship happens to be a mosque
 
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Yes you are. So am I. So is every other living thing. It's the "selfish gene". Billions of years of evolution have ensured that we are all motivated by self interest and we all show favouritism towards those who are genetically similar to ourselves. But acting in accordance with nature can't be conflated with the malicious persecution of minorities, unless you work in the anti-racism industry.
Yet another aspect of that "thing" I continually refer to as "human nature" that must be accounted for (but is increasingly ignored or said to be irrelevant in our enlightened post-modern wisdom) in every policy or practice of government if we are to remain free.

As to the "anti-racism" industry" can you use these fellows over in the UK perhaps?



 
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No thanks JJH, you can keep them.
Just as an asides, why hasn't anybody topped that tit Obama yet? I'm sadly disapointed that there hasn't even been a credible effort.
 
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No thanks JJH, you can keep them.
Just as an asides, why hasn't anybody topped that tit Obama yet? I'm sadly disapointed that there hasn't even been a credible effort.
No and I sincerely hope that does not happen. Beyond the criminality of the thing, I mean look at the ridiculous (though carefully orchestrated) hysteria over the "tea party movement" being "racist" etc. etc. That would surely provide a "crisis" of sufficient moment to enable all sorts of emergency powers by the government no doubt aimed at its critics and opponents.
 
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Chubb, haven't you died yet?
 
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No and I sincerely hope that does not happen. Beyond the criminality of the thing, I mean look at the ridiculous (though carefully orchestrated) hysteria over the "tea party movement" being "racist" etc. etc. That would surely provide a "crisis" of sufficient moment to enable all sorts of emergency powers by the government no doubt aimed at its critics and opponents.
But it would provide us with weeks of entertainment.
In truth, I have no knowledge of the "tea party movement"


As to race, I care not what the colour of anybodies skin is but I have reached the conclusion that I am vigorously opposed to multi-culturism in the UK. I happen to like the culture that has long existed in Britain of fair play and tolerance, unfortunatley the last government (for reasons best known to themselves) appear to have believed the best way to make this country better was to cram as many in-comers as possible into the UK.
Somehow they believed that stirring in hundreds of thousands of people from around the world with culture and values completely at odds with those values of tolerance and fair play long held dear in Britain was the best way to improve upon our way of life.

To cap it all, there still seems to be a belief that the UK is somehow enriched by absorbing people and practices that are opposed to things that I hold dear.
I may be an old fashioned git but I do not believe there is any place in British society for the practice of making women behave as second class citizens and hide behind a "burkha" because there husbands think it appropriate.

Will our new government have the spine to stand up and say that living in the UK means accepting values and standards that are held dear to us rather than expecting to import a stoneage belief system from the country of your origin.
We are not enriched by multi-culturism, all it actually means is that the spirit of fair play and tolerance is diluted.
 
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But I'm not sure it happens. Don't the wearers have to go to a female-only check-point like they do in Egypt, for example? Certainly passport photos have to be taken with no face covering.
I was thinking of Mustaf Jama, He fled the UK after murdering PC Sharon Beshenivsky by donning a Burka and using his sister's passport to travel back to Somalia via Heathrow.
 
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