Ukrainian 737 crashes in Iran

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You have as much insight as I do into the inner workings of what went on in the Situation Room / toilet at Mar-a-Lago where the decision was made (ie, none). The reports are that the DoD was "surprised" that Donnie took this option.

The military obviously plan through the outcomes as best they can, but that is a separate issue to whether Don can or did think past a single chess move.

Eta: also that isn't what realpolitik is
Ah, @amazing__lobster new sock account.
 
As at @Drlligaf says, I’m minded to this being a possible end to the regime. The photo of the protesters shows young, apparently well to do citizens openly flouting dress codes and both males a females seem to be adopting western dress?

The regime is rooted in anti western dogma.

There seems to be a bit of a division between the older and younger generation in dress, outlook etc with the older still basking in the glories of the revolution, even clinging to it whereas the younger are not fussed. I see a bit of a parallel with NI in the older still very much sectarian in outlook, the younger being uninterested?

I think Trump has drawn a hand with 5 aces in it, I don’t suppose for one moment he or anyone else imagined this chain of events. Where he has seemingly played those 5 aces well is in keeping his mouth largely shut and letting the Iranians dig their own hole. I hope he can continue to do that because it will pull the rug out from under a great many of his critics globally.

As an aside, “ethnic garb” Trudeau has come out of his box fighting talk wise. Makes him look a bit silly.
All the Iranians I know despise/hate/loathe the regime. That doesn't mean they don't feel nationalistic and cultural pride as Iranians.
Their mistrust of the West is understandable considering the USA and UK willfully sabotaged their nascent democracy in the 1950's, just for cheap oil.
On the other hand, beyond all the demos and stuff you see on TV, has anybody here met an Iranian that wasn't friendly, hospitable and interested in the rest of the world?
 
All the Iranians I know despise/hate/loathe the regime. That doesn't mean they don't feel nationalistic and cultural pride as Iranians.
Their mistrust of the West is understandable considering the USA and UK willfully sabotaged their nascent democracy in the 1950's, just for cheap oil.
On the other hand, beyond all the demos and stuff you see on TV, has anybody here met an Iranian that wasn't friendly, hospitable and interested in the rest of the world?
Would you believe I've met those who accused Israel of keeping Khomeini's mob in power ? I kid you not.
 
Would you believe I've met those who accused Israel of keeping Khomeini's mob in power ? I kid you not.
I believe you. Belief in conspiracy seem to characterize both Iran and Afghanistan.
Apparently Afghans are convinced that Britain is behind all their problems.
 
Trumps tweet to Iran has become the most popular ever tweet in Farsi.

Hopefully the ayatollah is getting some sleepless nights right now.
 
For a good sense of the loathing Iranians have for the regime, it's worth studying the Instagram post of Iran's only female Olympic medal winner, who has just defected.
Note the allusion to the regime's corruption.

"Let me start with a greeting, a farewell or condolences, I am one of the millions of oppressed women in Iran who they have been playing with for years."

"They took me wherever they wanted. I wore whatever they said. Every sentence they ordered me to say, I repeated. Whenever they saw fit, they exploited me," she wrote, adding that credit always went to those in charge.
"I wasn't important to them. None of us mattered to them, we were tools," Alizadeh goes on to say, explaining that while the regime celebrated her medals, it criticized the sport she had chosen: "The virtue of a woman is not to stretch her legs!"

Alizadeh confirmed the rumors Saturday, saying she "didn't want to sit at the table of hypocrisy, lies, injustice and flattery" and that she did not want to be complicit with the regime's "corruption and lies."
"My troubled spirit does not fit with your dirty economic ties and tight political lobbies. I wish for nothing else than for Taekwondo, safety and for a happy and healthy life, she said adding that she was not invited to go to Europe.
She said the decision was harder than winning Olympic gold. "I remain a daughter of Iran wherever I am," she said.


 
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She seems to echo what is likely the thoughts of many Ianians who are unable to leave. That they are suffering under an intolerant repressive regime that exports terror, led by the pedlars of an intolerant repressive power hungry religion.
 
Trumps tweet to Iran has become the most popular ever tweet in Farsi.

Hopefully the ayatollah is getting some sleepless nights right now.
I expect he settles down with a large brandy and perhaps a bit of Internet porn to take his mind of things.

It's not been a good couple of weeks for him has it? His situation reminds me somewhat when Hirohito had to address Japan at the time of surrender, "the war has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage" was a hell of a way to downplay the two lots of instant sunshine that had been dropped on his people. Maybe the Ayatollah is wondering if he will have to give a similar speech before long?
 
You have as much insight as I do into the inner workings of what went on in the Situation Room / toilet at Mar-a-Lago where the decision was made (ie, none). The reports are that the DoD was "surprised" that Donnie took this option.
'Reports', eh?

You'll have a link to those of course?

The military obviously plan through the outcomes as best they can . . .
Wait, how can they 'obviously plan' and yet be 'surprised'?

PS: why aren't you using your usual profile, Baggy?
 
The mullahs certainly do not seem to be enjoying the support of the general public. The growing unrest inside the country over the shoot down that they have just admitted to, is turning into a serious political crisis for Tehran’s leaders. There are indications of widespread discontent over the state of the country, rising costs and the money that goes into supporting the various terrorist proxies abroad

Ukrainian officials have also been voicing their opinion that, had they not found evidence of a missile strike in the wreckage of the crash, the Iranian authorities would have continued to deny all responsibility for the missiles launched at the plane resulting in the deaths of all 176 aboard, most of whom were Iranian.

Protests have been erupting in Tehran and other cities as the population have further reason to disbelieve pronouncements made by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei,and other officials. Protest videos have showed some shouting “Khamenei is a murderer!” and anti-riot police have been tear-gassing violent demonstrators.
@PhotEx will be along soon to tell us how wrong we are and the the Iranian government is still hugely popular.....
 
I see you're still struggling with your computer. These are different questions from the one you asked. Sticking a Hellfire up Sulemani's arse was not the only option option to Trump, and was the most risky. It has worked out for him, but by luck rather than judgement.

(That is the only point I'm making so I'm going to stop engaging with your bad-faith arguments)
You have absolutely no understanding of the history of Suleiman and his direct involvement in the deaths of UK and US troops plus thousands of Iraqis and Iranians. Find a thread more suited to your lack of comprehension.
 
You have as much insight as I do into the inner workings of what went on in the Situation Room / toilet at Mar-a-Lago where the decision was made (ie, none). The reports are that the DoD was "surprised" that Donnie took this option.

The military obviously plan through the outcomes as best they can, but that is a separate issue to whether Don can or did think past a single chess move.

Eta: also that isn't what realpolitik is
Don’t be stupid, there’s a good chap...
 
The insanity! Iran made sure the US was warned of the attack but failed to warn its own air defence there was civilian air traffic:

"US troops at Iraqi base knew of impending Iranian attack 2.5 hours prior.

Citing Arab diplomat, CNN reports Iran gave Iraqi officials advance warning of strike to pass on to US, suggesting Tehran hoped to avoid casualties and further escalation"
 
You have absolutely no understanding of the history of Suleiman and his direct involvement in the deaths of UK and US troops plus thousands of Iraqis and Iranians. Find a thread more suited to your lack of comprehension.
I fear it’s the lobster. Your wasting your breath, it knows everything about everything ( like Bono)!
 
The thread moderator stated it's not a sock - isn't that enough?
This is CA and current events in Iran are too monumental for us to be squabbling here.
 
I expect he settles down with a large brandy and perhaps a bit of Internet porn to take his mind of things.

It's not been a good couple of weeks for him has it? His situation reminds me somewhat when Hirohito had to address Japan at the time of surrender, "the war has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage" was a hell of a way to downplay the two lots of instant sunshine that had been dropped on his people. Maybe the Ayatollah is wondering if he will have to give a similar speech before long?
I do hope before all this is over, He and His minions end up on the business end of one of the telescopic cranes they have hung children from.
 

Nick Dipples

War Hero
You have absolutely no understanding of the history of Suleiman and his direct involvement in the deaths of UK and US troops plus thousands of Iraqis and Iranians. Find a thread more suited to your lack of comprehension.
Apologies I didn't realise I was in the company of such a renowned expert on Iranian defence politics.
 

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