UKIP & EU Manifesto

#1
I don't like communism and hover around the center on average.

Seen this and made me think a bit.....

As euro zone leaders continue to wrestle with the idea of the EU being plunged into total economic ruin, Nigel Farage above all others has protested loudly against the 27-state union’s easy money policies and its desire to consolidate power into the hands of the few.
“Years ago, Mrs. Thatcher recognized the truth behind the European Project. She saw that it was about taking away democracy from nation states and handing that power to largely unaccountable people,” said the leader of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) during a debate last week on the current situation in Cyprus.
“Knowing as she did that the euro would not work she saw that this was a very dangerous design,” he added.
Indeed, noted earlier on TheBlaze, Lady Thatcher in her two autobiographies (“The Downing Street Years” and “The Path To Power”) predicted the EU as we know it:
Margaret Thatcher, The Path To Power.

The Downing Street Years.

“But not even me, in my most pessimistic of speeches would have imagined,” he continued, “that you and others in the Troika would resort to the level of common criminals and steal money from peoples’ bank accounts in order to keep propped up this total failure that is the euro.”
“You even tried to take money away from the small investors in direct breach of the promise you made back in 2008,” he added.
Of course he’s referring to when Cyprus as a part of a bailout deal with European Union creditors agreed to a plan that would have imposed a financial transaction tax as high as 9.9 percent on all depositors. Luckily for small depositors, that deal didn’t go through.

“Well the precedent has been set, and if we look at countries like Spain where business bankruptcies are up 45 percent year on year, we can see what your plan is to deal with the other bailouts as they come,” Farage continued.
“I must say, the message this sends out to investors is very loud and clear: Get your money out of the Eurozone before they come for you.
“What you have done in Cyprus is you actually sounded the death knell of the euro. Nobody in the international community will have confidence in leaving their money there,” he added.
But he wasn’t finished:
And how ironic to see the Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev compare your actions and say, “I can only compare it to some of the decisions taken by the Soviet authorities.”
And then we have a new German proposal that says that actually what we ought to do is confiscate some of the value of peoples’ properties in the southern Mediterranean euro zone states.
“This European Union is the new communism. It is power without limits. It is creating a tide of human misery and the sooner it is swept away the better,” he added:
Source: The EU ‘Is the New Communism’: The Fiery Speech Denouncing the EU You Don’t Want to Miss | Video | TheBlaze.com

[video=youtube;3RjUJy7kDOM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RjUJy7kDOM[/video]


Must admit, I think Farage has got it spot on as far as the EU goes.

Can UKIP be trusted with Defense?
 
#2
The idea of Europe isnt Evil or Communism its execution is however inept, undemocratic and in deperate need to overhaul

The EMU, was in concept an extrememly good idea, BUT a single currency the prime requisite is that you have a single economic policy and governance of said currency

The orginial rules for entry to the EMU were extremely tightly restricitive in the conditions that had to be met before entry would be possible, however this was watered down drastically for political purposes and currencies that should not have been allowed into the Euro Zone were let in (on the assumption of continual growth would solve the problems some time in the wooly future) that dilution of the rules has truly come home to roost now

But Farangue is no angel, he has a history of throwing his toys out of the cot and resigning (Tories and UKIP) and he was also came under critisism during his time as a Euro MP of pocketing over 2 million in "expenses"
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
Ace speech and hope it gets a wide circulation. Thank you for bringing it to us.

None of the other parties can be trusted with Defence anyway.
 
#4
Watched this the other day.
I do believe he will pull more and more of the votes from people who will never vote labour again and who will never vote conservative.
I can see the lib dems trounced hard in the next General election and the protest vote giving UKIP a real foothold.

As for can he be trusted with de fence, not to worry we have lots of Eastern European friends in Britain who can fix de fence cheaply if it breaks.

Ill get me coat ;)
 
#5
The idea of Europe isnt Evil or Communism its execution is however inept, undemocratic and in deperate need to overhaul

The EMU, was in concept an extrememly good idea, BUT a single currency the prime requisite is that you have a single economic policy and governance of said currency

The orginial rules for entry to the EMU were extremely tightly restricitive in the conditions that had to be met before entry would be possible, however this was watered down drastically for political purposes and currencies that should not have been allowed into the Euro Zone were let in (on the assumption of continual growth would solve the problems some time in the wooly future) that dilution of the rules has truly come home to roost now

But Farangue is no angel, he has a history of throwing his toys out of the cot and resigning (Tories and UKIP) and he was also came under critisism during his time as a Euro MP of pocketing over 2 million in "expenses"
of pocketing over 2 million in "expenses ........

Who told you that ? Jim down the pub ?
Substantial evidence please or I call Bullshit.
 
#6
of pocketing over 2 million in "expenses ........

Who told you that ? Jim down the pub ?
Substantial evidence please or I call Bullshit.
He admitted it, although said they were to pay and support his staff. It was still about twice the average claim. See the Wiki extract below;

In May 2009, The Guardian reported that Farage had said in a speech to the Foreign Press Association that over ten years as a Member of the European Parliament he received £2 million of taxpayers' money in staff, travel, and other expenses on top of his £64,000 a year salary.[37]

A former MP Denis MacShane, previously a Labour Minister for Europe, said that this showed that Farage was "happy to line his pockets with gold". Farage called this a "misrepresentation",[38] claiming that the money had been used to promote UKIP's message and staff salaries, not his own salary, but he welcomed the focus on the issue of MEP expenses, claiming that "[o]ver a five year term each and every one of Britain's 78 MEPs gets about £1 million. It is used to employ administrative staff, run their offices and to travel back and forth between their home, Brussels and Strasbourg."
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
UKIP are entering a transition period. They can expect to be the recipients of a substantial protest vote at the local elections on May 2nd and in the European elections next year. They can expect a decent number of councillors and an increase in the number of MEPs. The question will be whether they can make the transition from being a fringe party to one seen as a serious contender for the main opposition in 10 years time.

To do that they need a decent manifesto, some heavyweight politicians, some decent up and coming candidates and for Farage to develop some gravitas.

If they manage that they may push the Limp Dems into 4th place at the next election and be the main opposition at the one following. If they don't mature as a party, they'll stay on the fringes of politics.

Wordsmith
 
#8
of pocketing over 2 million in "expenses ........

Who told you that ? Jim down the pub ?
Substantial evidence please or I call Bullshit.
To be fair, all EU expenses are paid without regard to whether they have been spent or not, MEP's do not claim them.

This charge can be laid at the door of every MEP.
 
#9
He admitted it, although said they were to pay and support his staff. It was still about twice the average claim. See the Wiki extract below;

In May 2009, The Guardian reported that Farage had said in a speech to the Foreign Press Association that over ten years as a Member of the European Parliament he received £2 million of taxpayers' money in staff, travel, and other expenses on top of his £64,000 a year salary.[37]



A former MP Denis MacShane, previously a Labour Minister for Europe, said that this showed that Farage was "happy to line his pockets with gold". Farage called this a "misrepresentation",[38] claiming that the money had been used to promote UKIP's message and staff salaries, not his own salary, but he welcomed the focus on the issue of MEP expenses, claiming that "[o]ver a five year term each and every one of Britain's 78 MEPs gets about £1 million. It is used to employ administrative staff, run their offices and to travel back and forth between their home, Brussels and Strasbourg."
Thanks Psychobabble - that clears it up.
Over the same period as 78 other British MEPs he received the same expenses to run his staff - not line his pockets ...as was insinuated.

I do not have a UKIP axe to grind but everything I hear from them makes a whole pile more sense than the shit we've heard from our "leaders" for a decade or so.
 
#12
You've got to laugh at any article that starts with:
The following correction was printed in the Observer's For the record column, Sunday May 31 2009

In the article below we said incorrectly that a debate between Farage and former Europe minister Denis MacShane was "discreetly taped" by the hosts, the Foreign Press Association. The FPA openly records all its briefings and in most cases puts them on its website after the event
The fact that his Q&A was recorded openly, rather than being "discreetly taped" behind closed doors as the uncorrected article suggested, would indicate a rather different meeting to the one portrayed - In fact, he seemed to have been rather upfront as to the extent of the expenses received from the EU, Could it be a lefty paper was trying to spin the story to their own ends? ;)
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
If he has been milking the EU cow to feed his anti-EU party, that's absolutely delightful. Well done him.
 
#14
UKIP are entering a transition period. They can expect to be the recipients of a substantial protest vote at the local elections on May 2nd and in the European elections next year. They can expect a decent number of councillors and an increase in the number of MEPs. The question will be whether they can make the transition from being a fringe party to one seen as a serious contender for the main opposition in 10 years time.

To do that they need a decent manifesto, some heavyweight politicians, some decent up and coming candidates and for Farage to develop some gravitas.

If they manage that they may push the Limp Dems into 4th place at the next election and be the main opposition at the one following. If they don't mature as a party, they'll stay on the fringes of politics.

Wordsmith
Could be interesting if they ended up in 2015 holding the balance of power ....
 
#16
There was a small brou haha regarding Nige's expenses at one point but I understand that all is now well and the dust has settled.

It's refreshing to see that someone has a clear idea of the direction that UKIP is bound.. during the last election I was obliged to cover some of their shenanigans prior to the vote (in the interests of BBC impartiality) I spent some time with Farage and Chairman Lord Pearson - unfortunately the latter had failed to read his own manifesto and clearly was 'all at sea' when questioned on the thing. He asked how I thought it went afterwards and was somewhat taken aback when I sucked my teeth and shook my head.

Further embarrassment was caused by my producer 'Gobby' (frequently heard shouting 'Ere..Prime minister...' etc, at No.10) Upon spying a stylishly clad and handsome woman bending over a table he exclaimed sotto voce, 'Ere..You could park a bike in that...' Unfortunately the shapely buttocks that he was referring to belonged to a decidedly unamused Lady Pearson.

Cue: BBC residential diversity course for two.
 
#17
I've heard Farage speak, he was passionate and persuasive: But only about one subject.

I like the idea of UKIP but it ain't going nowhere as a one trick pony.
 
#18
They can expect to be the recipients of a substantial protest vote at the local elections on May 2nd and in the European elections next year.
Don't you just love British democracy???

Makes you wonder whether Britain deserves a democracy and would in reality be better off run by a bunch of non-elected technocrats.

They can expect a decent number of councillors and an increase in the number of MEPs.
The can hope for a decent number of councillors and an increase in the number of MEPs.

Unless of course Wordsmith you have advance notice of election rigging in their favour. :wink:

The question will be whether they can make the transition from being a fringe party to one seen as a serious contender for the main opposition in 10 years time.
Not if they rely on protest votes they won't.

To do that they need a decent manifesto, some heavyweight politicians, some decent up and coming candidates and for Farage to develop some gravitas.
Long way short of the first point. Soundbites do not sound policies maketh.

If they manage that they may push the Limp Dems into 4th place at the next election and be the main opposition at the one following. If they don't mature as a party, they'll stay on the fringes of politics.
First thing they have to do is stop being a single-issue party. I really don't think they have grasped this key concept yet. But there again, part of tells me that they can't be that stupid and thus they stick to this narrow/tunnel vision soundbite politics for another reason.
 
#19
Don't you just love British democracy???

Makes you wonder whether Britain deserves a democracy and would in reality be better off run by a bunch of non-elected technocrats.



The can hope for a decent number of councillors and an increase in the number of MEPs.

Unless of course Wordsmith you have advance notice of election rigging in their favour. :wink:



Not if they rely on protest votes they won't.



Long way short of the first point. Soundbites do not sound policies maketh.



First thing they have to do is stop being a single-issue party. I really don't think they have grasped this key concept yet. But there again, part of tells me that they can't be that stupid and thus they stick to this narrow/tunnel vision soundbite politics for another reason.
I don't believe they are a single issue party.

They just have only one good spokesman - and he sees the EU as the prime complication in most issues which affect our everyday lives and so focuses media time on that.

For the rest of their policies, a little light reading UKIP Policies - UK Independence Party
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
Don't you just love British democracy???

Makes you wonder whether Britain deserves a democracy and would in reality be better off run by a bunch of non-elected technocrats.

The can hope for a decent number of councillors and an increase in the number of MEPs.

Unless of course Wordsmith you have advance notice of election rigging in their favour. :wink:
There are always protest votes at elections that are not seen as being of over-riding importance. Its slightly different at general elections in that its called tactical voting - designed to keep a specific candidate out.

Until recently, the Liberal Democrats had often been the recipient of protest votes - and indeed had learned to structure many of their campaigns around it. However, their period in coalition has resulted in widespread disillusionment. I expect UKIP to be the recipients of the many of the votes that would have gone to the Limp Dems.

Others will come from disaffected Labour or Conservative voters. Remember, many voters have a purpose behind using protest votes - that usually is to shock the party they normally back to support into following 'traditional' policies.

So I don't dismiss protest votes as you do - they serve a purpose in the democratic process.

Soundbites do not sound policies maketh.
You'd better tell out current crop of politicians that then. Many of them seem to mistake sound bites for having coherent policies - I offer you up Ed Balls as a classic example.

First thing they have to do is stop being a single-issue party. I really don't think they have grasped this key concept yet. But there again, part of tells me that they can't be that stupid and thus they stick to this narrow/tunnel vision soundbite politics for another reason.
Al parties start out as single issue parties - the nascent Labour party started out last century on the issue of trade union rights and only gradually developed a full range of policies.

So with UKIP. The point I was making in my original post was whether UKIP can morph from an anti-EU party to one with a broader range of policies. For whatever reason, I expect then to get a significant share of the vote on 2nd May. The only question is whether they can use that as a springboard to bigger and better things.

Public sentiment in the UK is perhaps more aligned with UKIP that it's ever been, so the opportunity is there.

Wordsmith
 

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