UKIP , ban the burka!

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From BBC News

The burka and other face-covering veils worn by Muslim women should be banned, the UK Independence Party says.

Ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage, who leads UKIP's 13 MEPs in Brussels, told the BBC's Politics Show they were a symbol of an "increasingly divided Britain".

He also said they "oppressed" women and were a potential security threat.

But Schools Secretary Ed Balls said it was "not British" to tell people what to wear in the street, and accused UKIP of indulging in "unpleasant politics".

Some European countries, including France, are debating banning the burka, but the issue has sparked controversy when it has been raised in the UK.

UKIP is the first British party to call for a total ban, after the BNP called for it to be banned in Britain's schools.

'Different culture'

But Mr Farage said: "I can't go into a bank with a motorcycle helmet on. I can't wear a balaclava going round the District and Circle line.


As long as they are not imposing it on anybody else they should have the right to wear it
Salma Yaqoob, Respect leader

"What we are saying is, this is a symbol. It's a symbol of something that is used to oppress women. It is a symbol of an increasingly divided Britain.

"And the real worry - and it isn't just about what people wear - the real worry is that we are heading towards a situation where many of our cities are ghettoised and there is even talk about Sharia law becoming part of British culture."

A "different" culture was "being forced on parts of Britain and nobody wants that", added Mr Farage, but he denied the policy was an attempt to grab votes from the BNP, insisting it had "nothing to do with the BNP".

"There is nothing extreme or radical or ridiculous about this, but we can't go on living in a divided society," he told The Politics Show.

He said his party was seeking to ban "covering of the face in public places and public buildings" but said it had not yet worked out such a ban would be enforced.

Mr Balls said he was not surprised by Mr Farage's latest policy announcement, but he said no "sensible" or "mainstream" party in Britain would back a ban on face veils.

'Freedom of speech'

He told The Politics Show: "I wouldn't want to be part of a religion myself where we said to women and girls you have to wear a veil, but I also would not want to be in the kind of society where people were told how to dress when they walked down the streets.

"So the idea that we would tell people that you cannot wear a veil in public, I think that's not British, it's unfair, it's not consistent with our traditions of liberty and freedom."

Salma Yaqoob, leader of the anti-war Respect party, also criticised UKIP's proposed ban on the burka.

"I certainly wouldn't want to wear it myself, but then to take it to a step where they are going to ban it because I feel uncomfortable with it is something I would say is very un-British because the British way of life is 'live and let live', freedom of speech, freedom of worship," she said.

"As long as they are not imposing it on anybody else they should have the right to wear it."

UKIP came second in last year's European elections, ahead of the Labour Party, but Mr Farage quit as leader to concentrate on trying to become the party's first MP at Westminster.

His successor, Lord Pearson, has said he wants to step up the party's campaign against radical Islam.

He told the Times the party was taking legal advice on how the burka, or any veil covering a woman's face, could be banned in public places and in private buildings such as airports.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said the full burka is "not welcome" in France, but did not explicitly call for a ban, saying "no one should feel stigmatised" by any eventual law.

A French parliamentary report on the issue is due out at the end of January.


UKIP have just got my vote.
 
#2
The state telling people what to wear? Not sinister at all :evil: . Stand by for support for the idea from the usual suspects who think that the smoking ban and speed cameras are an outrage... :roll:
 

Fugly

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DirtyBAT
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mark1234 said:
UKIP have just got my vote.
You're going to vote for a party purely because they want to ban ninja costumes?

I think you're telling internet porkies, you outraged reactionist you.
 
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Tremaine

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What chance this succeeding? France did it, but their political make up differs from ours entirely. This will face opposition from a government that wanted to rub the noses of objectors, traditional Britons fast losing their identity.

The Burka hasn't earned the right to be welcomed.

No place for the Burka in secular societies? probably not. No place for separatism, oppression of women, division and exclusion? Deffo.Covering women in black robes and balaclavas has no place in Britain unless we want to surrender to Islam, Sharia law and divided communities.
Try getting in to a bank or most places wearing a motorcycle helmet or even a baseball cap, try getting through customs. It's been mooted however, that suspected Islamic players have slipped away through Airports.

Then there's the big diversity issue we've developed along with multiculturalism in Britain. And which isn't going away any time soon whether it's working or not.
Britain wants to be multicultural, sure, but apparently a few multiculturals don't want Britain apart from its benefits and freedom to do as they please, ideals not welcomed abroad in France and Australia.

As we embrace diversity, we also welcome and tolerate radicalism, division, intolerance BY those whose ways and customs we seek to protect. Beaten into submission by protest groups and a government that can't afford to lose potential votes from communities like these. Call me an old reactionary, I have a voice you know :wink:

Ban the Burka, yes.
 
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Fugly said:
mark1234 said:
UKIP have just got my vote.
You're going to vote for a party purely because they want to ban ninja costumes?

I think you're telling internet porkies, you outraged reactionist you.
No I was thinking of voting for them anyway because I'm disillusioned with the pathetic tories.

This just seals the deal.
 

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mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
So have they got your vote or not then? The article you posted is a valid topic, but is your life so consumed by the fact that muslims opress their women that you would vote for a party purely because they oppose it?

Edit: just seen your post above.
 
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Fugly said:
mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
So have they got your vote or not then? The article you posted is a valid topic, but is your life so consumed by the fact that muslims opress their women that you would vote for a party purely because they oppose it?
See above before you bore me to death.
 
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mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
And there's no reason why burkhas should be allowed there either; same for airports. However you're free to wear your motorcycle helmet, balaclava, scarf over the face etc in the street, so why should a muslim woman be prohibited from covering her face in public?
 
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Bravo_Zulu said:
mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
And there's no reason why burkhas should be allowed there either; same for airports. However you're free to wear your motorcycle helmet, balaclava, scarf over the face etc in the street, so why should a muslim woman be prohibited from covering her face in public?
That would be a reasonable point but for the fact that people have been wearing the Burka in those places, there was even an example of a man wearing it to escape the UK when he was wanted on terrorism charges, and any reasonable attempt to get people to remove it has been met with legal action and cries of Racism.

It's much more simple to just ban it, it's not a religious thing anyway, just a backwards cultaral thing.
 
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parapauk said:
The state telling people what to wear? Not sinister at all :evil: .
Quite right too.

Now tell me, are there any restrictions on clothing already extant in the UK? :)

As you say, nothing sinister at all.




PS. Personally I'd prefer many of the UK trollops to wear a burkha as looking at their flesh is quite revolting.
 
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Tremaine

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mark1234 said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
And there's no reason why burkhas should be allowed there either; same for airports. However you're free to wear your motorcycle helmet, balaclava, scarf over the face etc in the street, so why should a muslim woman be prohibited from covering her face in public?
That would be a reasonable point but for the fact that people have been wearing the Burka in those places, there was even an example of a man wearing it to escape the UK when he was wanted on terrorism charges, and any reasonable attempt to get people to remove it has been met with legal action and cries of Racism.

It's much more simple to just ban it, it's not a religious thing anyway, just a backwards cultaral thing.
:roll: edit that last sentence perhaps?
 
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Bravo_Zulu said:
mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
And there's no reason why burkhas should be allowed there either; same for airports. However you're free to wear your motorcycle helmet, balaclava, scarf over the face etc in the street, so why should a muslim woman be prohibited from covering her face in public?
This does seem to have an anti Muslim angle, they should have just said all face coverings be it a balaclava, hoodie or a Burka rather than just mainly focusing on Muslims.
I almost agree with this bloke (or bird)
Salma Yaqoob said:
As long as they are not imposing it on anybody else they should have the right to wear it
I do agree with what he is saying but would also add so long as they don't use their religion as an excuse for being above the law.
As for oppressed women, there are various parties (that I never get invited to)that are hosted dominatrixes and masters, if people want to be oppressed thats up to them as long as no one is forcing them
 
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Tremaine said:
mark1234 said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
And there's no reason why burkhas should be allowed there either; same for airports. However you're free to wear your motorcycle helmet, balaclava, scarf over the face etc in the street, so why should a muslim woman be prohibited from covering her face in public?
That would be a reasonable point but for the fact that people have been wearing the Burka in those places, there was even an example of a man wearing it to escape the UK when he was wanted on terrorism charges, and any reasonable attempt to get people to remove it has been met with legal action and cries of Racism.

It's much more simple to just ban it, it's not a religious thing anyway, just a backwards cultaral thing.
:roll: edit that last sentence perhaps?
No I can live with it, spelling mistakes an'all. :roll:
 
#17
whitecity said:
parapauk said:
The state telling people what to wear? Not sinister at all :evil: .
Quite right too.

Now tell me, are there any restrictions on clothing already extant in the UK? :)

As you say, nothing sinister at all.




PS. Personally I'd prefer many of the UK trollops to wear a burkha as looking at their flesh is quite revolting.
I can only think of of the uniforms that are the prerequisite of particular jobs, and the general ban on nudity, the latter having been show up for the joke that it is by that naked rambler bloke.
 
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mark1234 said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
mark1234 said:
OK ,I'll be wearing a motorcycle helmet next time I go to the bank then.
And there's no reason why burkhas should be allowed there either; same for airports. However you're free to wear your motorcycle helmet, balaclava, scarf over the face etc in the street, so why should a muslim woman be prohibited from covering her face in public?
That would be a reasonable point but for the fact that people have been wearing the Burka in those places, there was even an example of a man wearing it to escape the UK when he was wanted on terrorism charges, and any reasonable attempt to get people to remove it has been met with legal action and cries of Racism.
Bollocks, anyone trying to wear one through security in an airport now has to remove it. Stable doors and bolting horses maybe, but it's happening now, and I don't hear massed cries of racism.

Does it really not strike you as slightly oppressive that the state should turn round to a section of the community and tell them how they should dress?
 
#19
I read a Daily Mail article earlier today, but could'nt be arrsed starting a new thread, but, if we are going to start slating muslims,

Double standards row as Ed Balls refuses to ban smacking at mosque schools to avoid 'upsetting Muslim sensitivities'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tting-Muslim-sensitivities.html#ixzz0cujYfIVA

Mr Balls was last week urged to close a legal loophole which gives teachers in Britain's estimated 1,600 schools associated with mosques the right to smack children - even though it is banned in other schools.

He refused, prompting claims that he is allowing an alleged 'culture of physical abuse' in some of the mosque schools - or madrasahs - go unchecked.
Why do rules that apply to Mr Average man and Woman, now not apply to muslims. Are they now more equal than us? How can I apply to pay my Jizyah
 
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hairyarse2 said:
Double standards row as Ed Balls refuses to ban smacking at mosque schools to avoid 'upsetting Muslim sensitivities'

Mr Balls was last week urged to close a legal loophole which gives teachers in Britain's estimated 1,600 schools associated with mosques the right to smack children - even though it is banned in other schools.

He refused, prompting claims that he is allowing an alleged 'culture of physical abuse' in some of the mosque schools - or madrasahs - go unchecked.
Why do rules that apply to Mr Average man and Woman, now not apply to muslims. Are they now more equal than us? How can I apply to pay my Jizyah
The rules do apply to Mr Average man and Woman if their brats attend a school for less than 12.5 hours a week (fuck all to do with Muslims) they are free to be slapped about.
 

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