UK troops denied right to wear Nato campaign medal

#2
Daft question, but is there a sphere of eligibility wherin a troop is eligible for the NATO medal but not the UK medal, or vice versa? For example, the article references a need for presence for 30 days to be eligible for the UK award. If the NATO award is less stringent, for example, it would seem reasonable to be permitted to wear it, thus indicating to the observer that the troop was in theatre, but not for long. If there is no difference in eligibility, then what's the point in two?

NTM
 
#3
hansvonhealing said:
This is a report I've posted in full in the 'Afghan fighting' thread. I thought it should get as wide an audience as possible...

The Herald
UK troops denied right to wear Nato campaign medal
IAN BRUCE, Defence Correspondent
June 04 2007

The Ministry of Defence is to deny British soldiers who have fought in Afghanistan since 2001 the right to wear a Nato campaign medal.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/foreign/display.var.1444314.0.0.php
And your point is?

Discussed here...

... and here

... what I mean is what else could be added to this interminably dull old news subject that hasn't been added already, and answered?
 

Legs

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#4
One Op = One medal. It's worked for donkey's years, and it stops us looking like Septics...
 
#5
Legs said:
One Op = One medal. It's worked for donkey's years, and it stops us looking like Septics...
Very succint Legs. And before that hoary chestnut comes around again. UN and NATO medals were awarded for people serving in Bosnia on two different ops under two different commands during one tour... and no British medal existed. The OSM Afghanistan existed before ISAF.
 

ugly

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#6
Solon_of_Athens said:
Legs said:
One Op = One medal. It's worked for donkey's years, and it stops us looking like Septics...
Very succint Legs. And before that hoary chestnut comes around again. UN and NATO medals were awarded for people serving in Bosnia on two different ops under two different commands during one tour... and no British medal existed. The OSM Afghanistan existed before ISAF.
As opposed to under the tories where we had one career, one medal!
 
#7
Actually the rule one op, one medal can be overturned by the precedent set in Korea. Troops serving there, under UN command but in UK formations got both the UK Korea Medal and the UN Korea Medal. Luckily the ribbons didn't clash!!
 

Legs

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#8
Ah, a prime example of the exception that proves the rule!
 
#9
Fcuk the MoD. If you earned them, wear them. They've banned the NATO medal, because they were ashamed that NATO can issue the medals quicker than we can. Probably.
 
#10
CT - the qualifying criteria regarding both are pretty much the same. There are some moaning whingers who seem to think they should get a chestful of medals just for doing one tour. It's getting reeeaaaallllyyy old now.

Those of you who want to wear the NATO gong - return your OSM to the Medal Office and feel free.......
 
#11
gennithmedic - Serving personnel CAN NOT wear the NATO ISAF medal; nor should they. As to speed of issue, my OSM took almost two weeks longer to get than my ISAF.
 
#12
This is the same useless Defence Correspondant who slatted the military for Boarding School Allowance a few months back.

Take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
 
#13
Hmm, can't the Mods allocate these people some kind of identifying tag - similar to the Oxygen Thief one so we can recognise them as the idle trolls they are?
 
#14
In answer to "Leg's One Op - One Medal" - Afghanistan Medal and ACSM II seem to indicate otherwise, also GSM 63 with Clasp "Northern Ireland, and ACSM11 (but only for those leaving after 1 Jan 08)".
 
#15
In answer to "Leg's One Op - One Medal" - Afghanistan Medal and ACSM II seem to indicate otherwise, also GSM 63 with Clasp "Northern Ireland, and ACSM11 (but only for those leaving after 1 Jan 08)".
I'm sure he got his answer after nearly 7 years...


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#17
Very succint Legs. And before that hoary chestnut comes around again. UN and NATO medals were awarded for people serving in Bosnia on two different ops under two different commands during one tour... and no British medal existed. The OSM Afghanistan existed before ISAF.
I know it's an old thread, but as it's been kicked off again...

I am one of those Bosnian recipients. Parts of 7 Sig Regt were sent to Bos to take over from 2SR to let them pull out. 229 Sig Sqn plus atts and minus dets. I was 232 at the time, so an "att". Got issued UN silly berets and helmet covers the week before we went. Usual SNAFU, and I got pulled back to 232 (i.e. NATO) and sent out in rapid time to work with some blacknastied chaps. On arrival at SVO, movers go nuts that we had no UN ID Cards, and I was the only one with UN beret in my bergan. ID cards duly issued. Within a couple of weeks, we were painting white trucks green, and wearing national colours.

Imagine my surprise when the SSM called me into his office months later and threw a UN Medal at me.
 
#18
I know it's an old thread, but as it's been kicked off again...

I am one of those Bosnian recipients. Parts of 7 Sig Regt were sent to Bos to take over from 2SR to let them pull out. 229 Sig Sqn plus atts and minus dets. I was 232 at the time, so an "att". Got issued UN silly berets and helmet covers the week before we went. Usual SNAFU, and I got pulled back to 232 (i.e. NATO) and sent out in rapid time to work with some blacknastied chaps. On arrival at SVO, movers go nuts that we had no UN ID Cards, and I was the only one with UN beret in my bergan. ID cards duly issued. Within a couple of weeks, we were painting white trucks green, and wearing national colours.

Imagine my surprise when the SSM called me into his office months later and threw a UN Medal at me.
I was on the UN tour in 1995 which turned into the NATO tour.

I received **** all for that tour, apart from a TV stolen from a French military vehicle in Split.
 
#19
I was on the UN tour in 1995 which turned into the NATO tour.

I received **** all for that tour, apart from a TV stolen from a French military vehicle in Split.
The explanation I got was that since I did not have the opportunity to accumulate the 30 (or was it 60?) days service under UN before the op ended, I qualified. The key was issue of the UN ID card. If you had one, you should have got the medal. I deployed on 4 Dec 95.
 

Drivers_lag

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#20
Very succint Legs. And before that hoary chestnut comes around again. UN and NATO medals were awarded for people serving in Bosnia on two different ops under two different commands during one tour... and no British medal existed. The OSM Afghanistan existed before ISAF.
We got that. Britlogbat had only been in theatre a few weeks when Grapple 7 finished and Op Res 1 started. The feeling was that casevacs and other people who's short toured would be getting gongs, therefore so should everyone. It wasn't our fault the war ended was it?

I already had a Grapple gong, so couldn't have cared less but I do think it was the right thing to do on that occasion.
 

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