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Can anyone explain this to me which is posted on indeed, I.e. PAYE & PAYE rolled up or is it just a con & tye rate is 14.5?

Pay Rates:

We can offer the following pay rates on this contract (on PAYE basis including holiday pay):

Days:

  • PAYE (accrue holiday on top): £14.50ph
  • PAYE Rolled up (includes holiday pay and additional to cover deductions in hourly rate): £18.50ph
Nights:

  • PAYE (accrue holiday on top) : £16.00ph
  • PAYE Rolled up (includes holiday pay and additional to cover deductions in hourly rate) : £20.00ph
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It is legal I believe, provided there is provision for workers actully taking holiday time off.

Basically the rolled up rate means that instead of taking paid holiday time you only get paid for the hours you do and your holiday entitlement is paid within that

It works for some people (it would work for me, I never use my full holiday entitlement) and lots of drivers aren't fussed bout having lots of time off and woul rather earn as much as they can
 

RTU'd

LE
Thanks for flagging that up. Could've ended badly.

I'm now using these:

Spoke to Kim herself about an hour ago and like what she has to say. She's even given me a discount for being ex-Mil.

And an added bonus is that they're local to me.

This is an entirely new profession for me, so I'm very appreciative of all of the advice and guidance given by those that are already doing it. Thanks troops.
Good luck.

Sadly brokers often offer loads before you pay but in reality deliver jack once you have.

I have only ever used 2 HGV/LGV Schools.
National Driving Centre in Croydon & EP Training in Bookham, Surrey.
Initial HGV in Croydon, could not fault the training but it was back in 1995.
Sean @ EP offers 1st class training, reasonable prices but you pay for what you get!

The truckers forums offer good specialised advice on training & courses.
Have been on www.trucknetuk.com for some 11 years & good advice offered from Diesel Dave.
 

2000AD

Old-Salt
Good luck.

Sadly brokers often offer loads before you pay but in reality deliver jack once you have.

I have only ever used 2 HGV/LGV Schools.
National Driving Centre in Croydon & EP Training in Bookham, Surrey.
Initial HGV in Croydon, could not fault the training but it was back in 1995.
Sean @ EP offers 1st class training, reasonable prices but you pay for what you get!

The truckers forums offer good specialised advice on training & courses.
Have been on www.trucknetuk.com for some 11 years & good advice offered from Diesel Dave.
I used J Coates as they are one of the nearest to me in Leicester. First time pass on Cat C, took 2 attempts on C+E but that wasn't anyone elses fault but mine as I drove beyond the A posts taking a shunt on the reverse. Good instructors IMHO, knowledgable and patient. Did my CPC and ADR through them as well. Similar rates to anywhere else I looked at too.

The examiners at Leicester were reasonable bods too. Didn't make me feel ill at ease at all which is always a bonus after my experiences years ago being scrutinised by MTO's when taking mil driving tests
 

Daz

LE
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It is legal I believe, provided there is provision for workers actully taking holiday time off.

Basically the rolled up rate means that instead of taking paid holiday time you only get paid for the hours you do and your holiday entitlement is paid within that

It works for some people (it would work for me, I never use my full holiday entitlement) and lots of drivers aren't fussed bout having lots of time off and woul rather earn as much as they can
The £14.50 rate + holiday pay should work out around £16.51 (Holiday pay at 13.8%) I wonder where the extra is coming from and what exactly is the uplift to cover the deductions in the hourly rate, not to mention, what the deductions are
 
The £14.50 rate + holiday pay should work out around £16.51 (Holiday pay at 13.8%) I wonder where the extra is coming from and what exactly is the uplift to cover the deductions in the hourly rate, not to mention, what the deductions are


In truth I don't know either.

I do know that if we offered to buy drivers out of holiday entitlement a fair percentage would jump at the chance.
 
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It is legal I believe, provided there is provision for workers actully taking holiday time off.

Basically the rolled up rate means that instead of taking paid holiday time you only get paid for the hours you do and your holiday entitlement is paid within that

It works for some people (it would work for me, I never use my full holiday entitlement) and lots of drivers aren't fussed bout having lots of time off and woul rather earn as much as they can
So for someone like me, retired, looking for casual shifts as & when it seems like a winner. Cheers for the info..
 

BaldBaBoon

War Hero
Can anyone explain this to me which is posted on indeed, I.e. PAYE & PAYE rolled up or is it just a con & tye rate is 14.5?

Pay Rates:

We can offer the following pay rates on this contract (on PAYE basis including holiday pay):

Days:

  • PAYE (accrue holiday on top): £14.50ph
  • PAYE Rolled up (includes holiday pay and additional to cover deductions in hourly rate): £18.50ph
Nights:

  • PAYE (accrue holiday on top) : £16.00ph
  • PAYE Rolled up (includes holiday pay and additional to cover deductions in hourly rate) : £20.00ph
This is BaldBaBoon's wife Nikki replying to this.
Hi
They changed the rules a few years back and told agencies that they had to pay holiday pay.
Essentially the rate of pay over the year is the same. It's about timing of payments and whether you want a regular weekly pay check every week or whether you take the higher rate and don't get any pay at all on the holiday weeks.

Another way to explain it:
The higher rolled up includes your holiday pay, so if you take the higher rate, when you don't work (book holiday) and don't submit a time sheet, you don't get paid.
The lower accrued holiday rate means that when you don't work (on holiday) they will pay you the lower rate as your holiday pay.

Hope that helps.
 
This is BaldBaBoon's wife Nikki replying to this.
Hi
They changed the rules a few years back and told agencies that they had to pay holiday pay.
Essentially the rate of pay over the year is the same. It's about timing of payments and whether you want a regular weekly pay check every week or whether you take the higher rate and don't get any pay at all on the holiday weeks.

Another way to explain it:
The higher rolled up includes your holiday pay, so if you take the higher rate, when you don't work (book holiday) and don't submit a time sheet, you don't get paid.
The lower accrued holiday rate means that when you don't work (on holiday) they will pay you the lower rate as your holiday pay.

Hope that helps.
Appreciate that, thanks. Ideal for me as a casual wanting the odd shift here & there.
 

enpointe

Old-Salt
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Nobody is going to do town centre deliveries wrestling cages across pavements and trying to double park for £10 per hour when they can do factory to RDC for £14 per hour and all they have to do to unload is sit in a waiting area.

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especially when they can get 10. 50 / hr + shift allowance + 1 gbp/ hr peak bonus + 50 quid / week if you don;t have any unplanned absence over the peak period + a roundign up payment to take that to a grand) sat on the fork lift at the RDC ( and 21 quid an hour overtime)
 
We pay our agency workers in Ireland holiday pay rolled up but in Sweden it's the old fashioned way of accruing it.
 

Gone2ratshat

Old-Salt
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Daz

LE
If an employer is trying to get you sign a deliberately complex contract you know its not going to be in your favour in any way.
Its also technically illegal
 
Next time you see any bollox on twitter or fizzogbook from folks bleating about this all to do with Brexit cut,and post this as a response:

From Whites Transport Services.

Brakes Newark is another RDC on my list we will never go to again.

This morning we had a driver arrive slightly late due to being held up in an accident. Driver used his initiative to call them to explain. When he arrived he was sin binned. After 5hrs of waiting they told the driver they will not unload today and come back at 10:20 tomorrow. Over 25hrs of waiting because we were a bit late.

This means we failed the 2 onward loads and let down 2 important customers.

I asked for the paperwork back. They said We can keep it till tomorrow they said. No thanks. We are retuning the goods to where they come from. We are not prepared to wait.

The reason the supply chain is struggling and shelves are empty is because of the thousands of hours every day that is lost due to RDC’s up and down the country taking this piss out of hauliers and drivers. Think how many extra deliveries can be made every day if these RDC’s were forced to unload on time. And they should be invoiced £50 per hours for every hour past the booking time where we are made to wait.

Arrive on time. - made to wait.
Arrive early - made to wait.
Arrive late - made to wait.

Driver moans - Banned from site.

It’s about time these places were black listed by other hauliers. Only when they don’t get their goods to supply their customers they may understand that it is not acceptable to treat hauliers & drivers like this. We travel to many countries in Europe. They do not operate the same, arrive and unload (providing its in their opening hours obviously)

Brakes Newark is the absolute lowest of the low RDC. Utter despise the place.

The management should be ashamed of the disrespect they give to hauliers and drivers. I hope they read this.
A very interesting post , but it does beg the question-in a genuinely wanting to know- who exactly does the f8cking around of the drivers at this RDC?
I'm imagining a wagon pitching up with say fresh goods for a high street supermarket, needs offloading pretty sharpish for onward movement to a couple of superstores, and yet some " Oh you can't park there" jobsworth has both the mental and financial acumen to make the decision that because the delivery is 5 minutes beyond its allocated slot it's back to place of origin.
I imagine such types live with their long dead mothers.
 
A very interesting post , but it does beg the question-in a genuinely wanting to know- who exactly does the f8cking around of the drivers at this RDC?
I'm imagining a wagon pitching up with say fresh goods for a high street supermarket, needs offloading pretty sharpish for onward movement to a couple of superstores, and yet some " Oh you can't park there" jobsworth has both the mental and financial acumen to make the decision that because the delivery is 5 minutes beyond its allocated slot it's back to place of origin.
I imagine such types live with their long dead mothers.
My student yesterday told me that earlier this week he had spent 6 hours waiting for a scheduled load of steel coil at Roath docks in Cardiff.

Quite normal. Routine in fact.
 

BaldBaBoon

War Hero
A very interesting post , but it does beg the question-in a genuinely wanting to know- who exactly does the f8cking around of the drivers at this RDC?
I'm imagining a wagon pitching up with say fresh goods for a high street supermarket, needs offloading pretty sharpish for onward movement to a couple of superstores, and yet some " Oh you can't park there" jobsworth has both the mental and financial acumen to make the decision that because the delivery is 5 minutes beyond its allocated slot it's back to place of origin.
I imagine such types live with their long dead mothers.
I would imagine its the same kind of mindset in every sector. I have no idea what you are doing, but my clipboard entitles me to state you are doing it wrong.

I recall it being quite a regular thing on some constructions sites for certain vehicles to be messed about or told to come back later.....the very trucks that deliver all the supplies to enable the site to build.

On the mobile cranes, if we got fecked about in any regards to the lifting plan not being 100% adhered to or not admitted onto the site when we turned up, will simply returned back to the depot after calling the boss and explaining why.

The cranes were physically too big to just scoot off and come back later and there was so much work lined up, we would already have another 2 sites more than happy for us to turn up from a cancelled job.
 

Truxx

LE
A very interesting post , but it does beg the question-in a genuinely wanting to know- who exactly does the f8cking around of the drivers at this RDC?
I'm imagining a wagon pitching up with say fresh goods for a high street supermarket, needs offloading pretty sharpish for onward movement to a couple of superstores, and yet some " Oh you can't park there" jobsworth has both the mental and financial acumen to make the decision that because the delivery is 5 minutes beyond its allocated slot it's back to place of origin.
I imagine such types live with their long dead mothers.
Have you never come across RLC or RAF movers?

My case rests.
 
I would imagine its the same kind of mindset in every sector. I have no idea what you are doing, but my clipboard entitles me to state you are doing it wrong.

I recall it being quite a regular thing on some constructions sites for certain vehicles to be messed about or told to come back later.....the very trucks that deliver all the supplies to enable the site to build.....

Yes, I despair when I read this stuff about RDC's. I've no experience of warehousing and distribution, back in my day we were receiving consumables we needed, plus quite a lot of "capital items" for installation. Always pleased to see it arrive, didn't care if it was a few hours later than expected. Always offered drivers "the facilities" and a cup of tea. Enough cranes/fork lifts/labour available so never any delay unloading, then helped with onward directions if required, this was before satnavs. All part of the job to me, service with a smile!
 
A very interesting post , but it does beg the question-in a genuinely wanting to know- who exactly does the f8cking around of the drivers at this RDC?
I'm imagining a wagon pitching up with say fresh goods for a high street supermarket, needs offloading pretty sharpish for onward movement to a couple of superstores, and yet some " Oh you can't park there" jobsworth has both the mental and financial acumen to make the decision that because the delivery is 5 minutes beyond its allocated slot it's back to place of origin.
I imagine such types live with their long dead mothers.
Useless unhappy cvnts in a job they dont want to be in with low( ish) pay, and by 40 realising this is as far as their career is going. Being supervised by idle indifferent managers who regard employing another forklift driver so trucks could be unloaded with alacrity instead of waiting in a line for two hours, as needless extravagance.This means the unloaders are faced with a mass of work that they never look like they will get on top of, so after a while they stop trying and just work slowly.
The minions sole feeling of empowerment left to him or her, is jerking the drivers around whilst they glacially plod through their “ job”

in my experience.
NB weegie ones are in a league of their own.!
 
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