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UK to trial 3 military vehicles, BAE left out

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UK to trial 3 military vehicles, BAE left out
Thu Jun 7, 2007 4:30 PM BST30

LONDON, June 7 (Reuters) - Britain's Ministry of Defence selected three military vehicles for trials on Thursday as part of Future Rapid Effect System (FRES), a programme expected to be worth 14 billion pounds ($27.90 billion).

The ministry selected the Piranha from General Dynamics, the Boxer from German-Dutch consortium Artec, and the VBCI from France's Nexter.

BAE Systems, supplier of 95 percent of the UK's armoured vehicles, said it was disappointed to be left out but still hoped to play a role in FRES, possibly in integrating the programme.

"We believe it had the greatest growth potential but accept it was the least mature," BAE said in a statement regarding its SEP 8x8 vehicle.

Artec includes Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall Landsysteme of Germany and Dutch company Stork.

http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news...4Z_01_WLB8410_RTRIDST_0_BAESYSTEMS-URGENT.XML
 
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fantassin said:
BAE Systems (BA.L: Quote, Profile , Research), supplier of 95 percent of the UK's armoured vehicles, said it was disappointed to be left out but still hoped to play a role in FRES, possibly in integrating the programme.
Hopefully not
fantassin said:
"We believe it had the greatest growth potential but accept it was the least mature," BAE said in a statement regarding its SEP 8x8 vehicle.[/b]
I love this quote, what it means of course that they were disappointed that the MoD has abandoned its usual practice of bankrolling all of BAE's R&D at the Armed Forces and the tax payers expense
 
#5
fantassin said:
The ministry selected the Piranha from General Dynamics, the Boxer from German-Dutch consortium Artec, and the VBCI from France's Nexter.
Whilst these may offer the better product, does anyone seriously expect the US, German and Dutch or the French Governments to buy from anyone but their native arms industries?

Or to misquote Jihad does anyone expect them to "bankroll another country's industry's R&D at their Armed Forces and their tax payers expense"?
 
#7
Cyberhacker said:
Whilst these may offer the better product, does anyone seriously expect the US, German and Dutch or the French Governments to buy from anyone but their native arms industries?

Or to misquote Jihad does anyone expect them to "bankroll another country's industry's R&D at their Armed Forces and their tax payers expense"?
Ah but BAE is seriously considering delisting in London to become an American Company which would allow their spending spree on American Arms companies to continue.
 
#9
PartTimePongo said:
The Boxer looks like it just rolled off a dropship. Very Future looking indeed

http://www.artec-boxer.com/


It looks very smart indeed. However, what is it for? It would probably be useful in Afghanistan at the moment although I hate to think what it would look like with Bar Armour. It doesn't look like it would be a likely replacement for Warrior and as far as I can see, isn't configured to survive large mines like the modern wheeled mine protected vehicle. Hit a mine with that and one of the wheels comes up through the hull.
 

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armchair_jihad said:
fantassin said:
BAE Systems (BA.L: Quote, Profile , Research), supplier of 95 percent of the UK's armoured vehicles, said it was disappointed to be left out but still hoped to play a role in FRES, possibly in integrating the programme.
Hopefully not
fantassin said:
"We believe it had the greatest growth potential but accept it was the least mature," BAE said in a statement regarding its SEP 8x8 vehicle.[/b]
I love this quote, what it means of course that they were disappointed that the MoD has abandoned its usual practice of bankrolling all of BAE's R&D at the Armed Forces and the tax payers expense
Took the words right out of my mouth!
 
#11
its supposed to replace 432s and saxon something mod knew had to be replaced in the 1970s :(
on the bright side by the time it enters service in 2020 we only need to by 12 :twisted: maybe 14 if we want the ta to have them as well :cry:
 
#13
EX_STAB said:
PartTimePongo said:
The Boxer looks like it just rolled off a dropship. Very Future looking indeed

http://www.artec-boxer.com/


It looks very smart indeed. However, what is it for? It would probably be useful in Afghanistan at the moment although I hate to think what it would look like with Bar Armour. It doesn't look like it would be a likely replacement for Warrior and as far as I can see, isn't configured to survive large mines like the modern wheeled mine protected vehicle. Hit a mine with that and one of the wheels comes up through the hull.
The UK payed nearly £200M to extract itself from the programme a few years ago. I think Alvis Vickers were responsible for the mission module.

The MOD asked for a vehicle to replace FV430 and Saxon that had a large internal volume, then when Boxer turned up, said "it's too big for FRES". Now the C130 requirement has been dropped (at last) and with the A400 requirement possibly being dropped (Airbus military won't commit to a 34 tonne payload without more cash), Boxer is back in the frame.

Based upon recent operational experience, which brought protection to the fore, the 3 vehicles are contenders are in the frame for the utility variant of FRES (troop carrier, C2 etc).

With regard to your comments about Boxer's mine protection. It is very well protected with suspended seats, double skin floor, and sacrificial wheel stations. The chassis was designed by the Germans I think, and they know a bit about running gear.
 
#14
fantassin said:
UK to trial 3 military vehicles, BAE left out
Thu Jun 7, 2007 4:30 PM BST30

LONDON, June 7 (Reuters) - Britain's Ministry of Defence selected three military vehicles for trials on Thursday as part of Future Rapid Effect System (FRES), a programme expected to be worth 14 billion pounds ($27.90 billion).
Is this a bit of spin? Or elsewhere in the article does it also say that Patria and Iveco were also not down selected?

3 from 6 but only BAE quoted as left out?

Merely wondering!
 
#15
chris951 said:
fantassin said:
UK to trial 3 military vehicles, BAE left out
Thu Jun 7, 2007 4:30 PM BST30

LONDON, June 7 (Reuters) - Britain's Ministry of Defence selected three military vehicles for trials on Thursday as part of Future Rapid Effect System (FRES), a programme expected to be worth 14 billion pounds ($27.90 billion).
Is this a bit of spin? Or elsewhere in the article does it also say that Patria and Iveco were also not down selected?

3 from 6 but only BAE quoted as left out?

Merely wondering!
It's like a plane crash, unless there were British people on board, no-one is really interested. Shame about Patria, the AMV looks quite tasty. Poles have bought loads.
 
#16
Choice of 3 eh?

Spam cars: Too big, gas guzzling and badly built.

French cars: Stylish (usually), little bits break off but go on forever, innovative.

German cars: Well built, well designed, go on forever.

Looks like we'll be getting the General Dynamics one then .....
 
#17
FluffyBunny said:
Choice of 3 eh?

Spam cars: Too big, gas guzzling and badly built.

French cars: Stylish (usually), little bits break off but go on forever, innovative.

German cars: Well built, well designed, go on forever.

Looks like we'll be getting the General Dynamics one then .....
The German car is the one that's considered "too big". The Spam (originally Swiss design) one is the smallest and the only one that's already in service and has seen action - lots of variants.
 
#18
winnfield said:
FluffyBunny said:
Choice of 3 eh?

Spam cars: Too big, gas guzzling and badly built.

French cars: Stylish (usually), little bits break off but go on forever, innovative.

German cars: Well built, well designed, go on forever.

Looks like we'll be getting the General Dynamics one then .....
The German car is the one that's considered "too big". The Spam (originally Swiss design) one is the smallest and the only one that's already in service and has seen action - lots of variants.
"Too big" also equates to growth potential. I hope whatever vehicle is chosen, the MOD takes into account all the extra bells and whistles we are going to bolt onto the thing!
 
#19
Ah but BAE is seriously considering delisting in London to become an American Company which would allow their spending spree on American Arms companies to continue.
No their not, as they can't unless the government lets them!
 
#20
Saw the boxer on show on SPTA a year or so ago - looks very very good and was told by the rep that it had been conceptualised by one of their designers who had a thing for the "Alien" films


Sci - fi not as sad as you think
 

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