UK to purchase 2 Littoral Strike Ships

The Royal Navy could generate more escorts, but that would mean giving them a manpower uplift. All apparently agreed to in 2015, then the Prime Minister had a wobble.

Sort it out, Mr Williamson. Also, since you want us Reservist types to man those OPVs, can we have more RSDs please? Thank you.
Does the Navy have a special school where you learn to speak nonsense?
That's like saying the Army could deploy five Divisions if it had more people and budget.
 
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Yokel

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Does the Navy have a special school where you learn to speak nonsense?
That's like saying the Army could deploy five Divisions if it had more people and budget.
No. In 2015 the RN senior leadership showed evidence to the Government that a manpower uplift of 1500 or so people was needed, and this would improve the availability of existing ships. I understand the RAF did something similar. The politicians listened - supposedly.

Then Cameron made a promise to backbenchers about 'Army numbers' - so it did not happen.
 

Yokel

LE
Thank you - what was it they were meant to build for the MOD? £60 does not buy much in the way of sophistication these days.

However, I was referring to more recent news that has been in local media. I have mentioned this in other threads like the one I started on Commerical (not naval) shipbuilding in the Economics forum.
Just fishing, if these two ships will be purchased from 'previous owner, little old lady who only used them on Sunday' the flight deck modules could be pre fabed in North Devon and fitted else where?
 
Maybe someone should start Water Escorts - the high end escort service for navies which want to get CapEx off their books, but need some "loving" from time to time. ;)

Rest of the time, we take paying passengers to cruise around. Kind of like Air Tanker.
IIRC Her Majesty's Lords of the Admiralty are way ahead of you.

I believe we used to own or lease a number of ships that were essentially commercial car carriers. The idea being that after ship loads of booties disembarked from HMS Ocean, Bullwark, Albion and assorted RFA Bay Class vessels to subdue the natives, the car carriers would turn up and disgorge all the Land Rovers, fuel tankers, bratty wagons and ice cream vans that the troops required to sustain an ongoing presence.

I'm not sure whether they were ever used in their military role so were condemned to an eternity of ferrying Toyota Corollas from Japan to Southampton.
 
IIRC Her Majesty's Lords of the Admiralty are way ahead of you.

I believe we used to own or lease a number of ships that were essentially commercial car carriers. The idea being that after ship loads of booties disembarked from HMS Ocean, Bullwark, Albion and assorted RFA Bay Class vessels to subdue the natives, the car carriers would turn up and disgorge all the Land Rovers, fuel tankers, bratty wagons and ice cream vans that the troops required to sustain an ongoing presence . . . . .
This did happen for Ex Purple Star, in North Carolina, 1996 . . . during which I participated in a very minor role ;) .

Just a reminder . . . . our UK Paras, and RM, deployed together, to the USA, for a joint exercise - I believe for the first time foreign troops had exercised in the USA?!

The civilian vehicle transporters we/the UK, chartered, were actually former RUSSIAN military ships. A problem quickly became apparent, because of the low deck heights. These were designed to accommodate Russian fighting vehicles, but were uncomfortably/too low, to successfully transport our/UK taller/higher/bigger vehicles.
 

potter

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IIRC Her Majesty's Lords of the Admiralty are way ahead of you.

I believe we used to own or lease a number of ships that were essentially commercial car carriers. The idea being that after ship loads of booties disembarked from HMS Ocean, Bullwark, Albion and assorted RFA Bay Class vessels to subdue the natives, the car carriers would turn up and disgorge all the Land Rovers, fuel tankers, bratty wagons and ice cream vans that the troops required to sustain an ongoing presence.

I'm not sure whether they were ever used in their military role so were condemned to an eternity of ferrying Toyota Corollas from Japan to Southampton.
These? Point-class sealift ship - Wikipedia

Certainly seemed to have been used regularly.
 
Maybe someone should start Water Escorts - the high end escort service for navies which want to get CapEx off their books, but need some "loving" from time to time. ;)

Rest of the time, we take paying passengers to cruise around. Kind of like Air Tanker.
A very similar model that is/was used with the Point Class . . . as just mentioned by @potter .

They are privately owned/managed, and used for (normal) civilian work, when not required for MoD tasking.
 

rampant

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Would be interesting exactly what the 2 Littoral Strike Groups comprise off.
Carrier Strike Group is slated as 2xT45, 2x23/26 1xAstute 1xAFSUP

So add elements to that

1xLSS
1xBulwark/Albion
Extra RFA assets eg Point, Tanker etc
 

Truxx

LE
Once upon a time of course we had the Lancelot class LSL. They could carry a Sqn of MBT, had AAW fits, a brace of MEXE and either a couple of LVVP or WB, had a mil comms fit, accommodation for a couple of hundred, could fly SH off the back and with a bit of derigging Chinook off the front and above all they could be banged up a suitable beach.

Hey ho. Progress I suppose.
 

Kodak

Swinger
Or do you mean without Carrier support?
I did mean without carrier support. Assuming these ships are forwarded deployed to the east and west of the Suez, surely they will be part of a smaller task force when the carrier strike group isn't available.
 

rampant

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
I did mean without carrier support. Assuming these ships are forwarded deployed to the east and west of the Suez, they will be part of a smaller task force when than when the carrier strike group isn't available.
It will be scalable from just the ship, eg raiding a small Somali pirate base up to integrated with its sister ship in a massive (firepower) Carrier Group
 
No. In 2015 the RN senior leadership showed evidence to the Government that a manpower uplift of 1500 or so people was needed, and this would improve the availability of existing ships. I understand the RAF did something similar. The politicians listened - supposedly.

Then Cameron made a promise to backbenchers about 'Army numbers' - so it did not happen.
I don't disagree but my point is you don't have the people so you can't man the ships.
 

Yokel

LE
I don't disagree but my point is you don't have the people so you can't man the ships.
Yes exactly - when the Admirals try to explain this to the politicians they (politicians) put their hands over their eyes and make dribbling and farting sounds.

More naval personnel = more ships at sea. That is why the point about personnel needs to be pressed home as often as possible. I am talking about existing RN warships.
 

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