UK to purchase 2 Littoral Strike Ships

Since all scientists are in 100% agreement that we should be converting container ships to aircraft carriers, it makes sense to do the same with littoral strike thingies for when we strike the littorals. I've no idea who the littorals are but they're clearly up to no good if we have to strike them, so let's do it economically.
Quite; nothing like a swift kick in the littorals to make Johnny Foreigner come to his senses! :)
 
Supposedly but from a decade of Amphib experience I'd say the training time to get them to a basic level of skills you'd might as well have a standing forces of trained people like the RM.

Three times we tried to do this, twice for testing with LWC and the other as a First of Class activity. The mis-match in C2, basic sea survival skills, CSS support and Battle Staff meant each time we just ended up running a WADER and teach in for the troops. The big problem was CSS (vehicles not properly waterproofed and understanding the Task Group Logs method along with integrating with STOM organization) and C2.

The C2 aspects were the biggest issue and without COMATF staff they just couldn't manage the STOM Sync matrix to ensure the right troops and equipment was in the right place.

What is forgotten is the actual boots running up a beach or jumping our of a helo is the really easy bit. It is the wrap around that needs experience. Which the RM's provided, if the RM didn't exists then either the Army has to have a slice of manpower to breed that experience or the RN has to do it (which would be the RM's under the Naval Service).

As for the running up a beach we could take any Lt Role Inf and 5 days later have them confident to conduct night time joint air and sea operations. Prior to them joining add 5 days for sea survival (which you could just do the 3 day course or wing it and not bother). You need to start very basic with "this is a lifejacket - do not pull this red handle" POOOFFFFFF ISSSSSSSS and deflate the lifejacket. "What part of don't ******* pull the red handle do you ******* pongos not understand - wise words from the LC1.

The other thing was getting them to understand the green white card process. Every time we would loose a random Pongo. Never with the RM. It is all about experience. In each RM unit there is enough people who have done this shite that they can smooth the path.

My favourite was the Russian Inf Company we had for PfP. Now that was very much watch - don't touch.
Equally I have spent many a happy hour or ten unscrambling Royal/COMAW(or COMATG)/ RN foul ups. There used to be rather a lot of Army expertise.
 

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Any one bothered to read what Williamson actually said?
Of course, its what he hasn't said thats important
"They would support our Future Commando Force. Our world-renowned Royal Marines – they’ll be forward deployed, at exceptionally high readiness, and able to respond at a moment’s notice bringing the fight from sea to land. "
Would? Provided we have the spare bodies and they aren't doing something else then the RM might be free to be on board
"Our vision is clouded by alcohol or mind altering substances for these ships to form part of 2 Littoral Strike Groups complete with escorts, support vessels and helicopters. One would be based East of Suez in the Indo-Pacific and one based West of Suez in the Mediterranean, Atlantic and Baltic. And, if we ever need them to, our two Littoral Strike Ships, our two aircraft carriers, our two amphibious assault ships Albion and Bulwark, and our three Bay Class landing ships can come together in one amphibious task force. However the chances of us having the bodies to man the ships let alone the forces they are supposed to deploy after Gideon cut everything to the bone are frankly pie in the sky This will give us sovereign, lethal, amphibious force. This will be one of the largest and best such forces anywhere in the world. Provided that world consists of just us and the Eu and doesn't include Nato, the US, China, India or anyone else "
When the Dark Blue types on here moan about retention and the inability to keep ships drafts full of career minded matelots increasing the number of ships without increasing the crews to man them is akin to giving everyone in Pompey a Pedallo and calling them an admiral!
 
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When the Dark Blue types on here moan about retention and the inability to keep ships drafts full of career minded matelots increasing the number of ships without increasing the crews to man them is akin to giving everyone in Pompey a Pedallo and calling them an admiral!
The assumption being these will be manned by Service personnel...?
 

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The assumption being these will be manned by Service personnel...?
Indeed, I susepect that an increase in RFA recruitment will be needed unless the Ministry has some weird ideas about outsourcing! Still I suppose the RFA may as well man the aircraft carriers and learn to fly the planes as well!
 
Indeed, I susepect that an increase in RFA recruitment will be needed unless the Ministry has some weird ideas about outsourcing! Still I suppose the RFA may as well man the aircraft carriers and learn to fly the planes as well!
You don’t need military personnel, even RFA for this sort of job, manning could be contracted through people like Maersk - you only need 20 people per ship to do the actual ship driving.
 

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You don’t need military personnel, even RFA for this sort of job, manning could be contracted through people like Maersk - you only need 20 people per ship to do the actual ship driving.
I did say outsource but I heard that Maersk dont do wars or warzones, kind of limits their positioning!
 
Er...

I've little experience personally with this sort of thing but - have worked alongside it and...people who know about it.

I think you should maybe listen to @Guns and my favourite Jimmy @alfred_the_great on this.

Caveat for Guns though...he was essentially just a spectator wrt operational aspects of RN deployments.
Not a "proper" PWO ;)
 

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I think you will find that Maersk very much do do wars and war zones.
I think I dont care either way, I was referring to posts on this forum earlier about contractor companies not doing forward deployments for insurance reasons
 

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