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The State is not going to be able to fund 140 ICBM's, or the Interstate or Yellowstone. Those are national priorities hence the Federal funding.
I doubt very much that Wyoming's lavishly-funded education system is a national priority.

Although you'd be forgiven for thinking it was given how many non-Wyomingites' tax dollars get chucked at it.
 
I doubt very much that Wyoming's lavishly-funded education system is a national priority.

Although you'd be forgiven for thinking it was given how many non-Wyomingites' tax dollars get chucked at it.
State priority bubba. Hence the State Budget that sets aside money to fund the education system in the State budget.
 

A2_Matelot

LE
Book Reviewer
POL consumption and dependency and where we get those other refined products from?
To add context. As recently as 2006, the United States imported 60 percent of its oil. As a result of the shale boom, it could be a net exporter of oil annually by next year, if the slowdown doesn't continue that is. The Trump administration has repeatedly stated that freedom from oil imports means what happens in oil-producing countries in the Persian Gulf no longer matters to the United States, whether it is a supply outage or an OPEC production cut. But when Saudi Arabia shuts down production oil prices (and gasoline prices in the US) soared. Which shouldn't have happened - hey we're almost energy independent!

Oil is priced in a global market, so prices in the United States move with the world price whether imported or not. U.S. gasoline prices reflect world oil prices, albeit with a lag. But the key fact is, while the United States may get to the point where it doesn't import oil on a net basis (and thats important), it still imports a vast amount of oil even as it exports oil and petroleum products. U.S. imports of oil from Saudi Arabia have fallen over the past decade, but only modestly, to just below 1 million barrels per day last year. This is mostly because US shale rigs produce light crude whereas the US tends to need more heavy crude and thats what its refineries are configured for.

So whilst production of refined products such as gasoline, heating oil and kerosene have drastically increased (and started long before the Trump administration), Americas' total energy consumption also is increasing. In petroleum alone, total product demand in the US is around 20 million barrels per day, while oil production is 13 million barrels per day

I'm annoyed as I can't find my last post on this which had detailed links but this is a good start
PolitiFact - Donald Trump exaggerates US energy independence

The Key Distinction Between U.S. Energy Independence And Energy Security

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) This show's import still outweigh exports, albeit modestly, but this https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec3.pdf is where you can see the breakdowns, I used 2019 and it is close when you look at the basic figures.

A phrase I see a lot is not energy dependant but energy secure.
 
To add context. As recently as 2006, the United States imported 60 percent of its oil. As a result of the shale boom, it could be a net exporter of oil annually by next year, if the slowdown doesn't continue that is. The Trump administration has repeatedly stated that freedom from oil imports means what happens in oil-producing countries in the Persian Gulf no longer matters to the United States, whether it is a supply outage or an OPEC production cut. But when Saudi Arabia shuts down production oil prices (and gasoline prices in the US) soared. Which shouldn't have happened - hey we're almost energy independent!

Oil is priced in a global market, so prices in the United States move with the world price whether imported or not. U.S. gasoline prices reflect world oil prices, albeit with a lag. But the key fact is, while the United States may get to the point where it doesn't import oil on a net basis (and thats important), it still imports a vast amount of oil even as it exports oil and petroleum products. U.S. imports of oil from Saudi Arabia have fallen over the past decade, but only modestly, to just below 1 million barrels per day last year. This is mostly because US shale rigs produce light crude whereas the US tends to need more heavy crude and thats what its refineries are configured for.

So whilst production of refined products such as gasoline, heating oil and kerosene have drastically increased (and started long before the Trump administration), Americas' total energy consumption also is increasing. In petroleum alone, total product demand in the US is around 20 million barrels per day, while oil production is 13 million barrels per day

I'm annoyed as I can't find my last post on this which had detailed links but this is a good start
PolitiFact - Donald Trump exaggerates US energy independence

The Key Distinction Between U.S. Energy Independence And Energy Security

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) This show's import still outweigh exports, albeit modestly, but this https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec3.pdf is where you can see the breakdowns, I used 2019 and it is close when you look at the basic figures.

A phrase I see a lot is not energy dependant but energy secure.
Thank you.
The Saudis went out of their way to hurt our industry, and expected no reaction from the States. I am hoping our frackers do make a recovery. The post COVID world will be interesting. But what I don’t understand is why the world thinks the US will not react when somebody kicks us in the shins? It’s as if the United States should turn a blind eye to this behaviour. That is the question I ponder.
 
POL consumption and dependency and where we get those other refined products from?
sweet crude and sour crude.
alas, God left you with mostly sour crude, guess where the sweet crude mostly lives....
 
. But what I don’t understand is why the world thinks the US will not react when somebody kicks us in the shins? It’s as if the United States should turn a blind eye to this behaviour. That is the question I ponder.
read the other side of the coin


 

A2_Matelot

LE
Book Reviewer
But what I don’t understand is why the world thinks the US will not react when somebody kicks us in the shins? It’s as if the United States should turn a blind eye to this behaviour. That is the question I ponder.
I think you need to see how Trump and his isolationist policies are viewed from a different viewpoint, which is hard when you're American. Hence decisions such as the Huawei one and the subsequent US reaction are perceived as being further evidence of the US wanting it's own way entirely.

You also probably aren't exposed to how the US isn't omnipotent as it once might have been and how it relies upon allies in some key areas.

I can see how Trump appeals to his voting base but equally I can see how a lot of the worlds view of the US has changed as a result of his policies.
 
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I think you need to see how Trump and his isolationist policies are viewed from a different viewpoint, which is hard when you're American. Hence decisions such as the Huawei one and the subsequent US reaction are perceived as being further evidence of the US wanting it's own way entirely.

You also probably aren't exposed to how the US isn't omnipotent as it once might have been and how it relies upon allies in some key areas.
Actually it seems to be quite the opposite, more and more it seems the US is going it alone because our Allies can't contribute or fundamentally disagree with us to the point where they won't. Last summer the UK opted to team up with France and Germany to deal with the Iranian problem. That was an eye opener, then you have issues like climate change and the Paris accord which are a very real wedge in relations. To many differences all at once.

I am trying to view things through your lens, hence the participation on this forum but I don't always think others across the pond do the same. I understand Trump is about as popular as syphilis over yonder. But look at it from a yokel's perspective. The UK decided to place economic interests first and foremost at the expense of an intelligence sharing and security arrangement. For the Chinese, the country that is the heart of our pivot to the Pacific and the the cause of the Pandemic killing thousands, known predatory lender and intellectual property thief . Now that the shock has worn off and people have accepted what has to be done, it puts your government in a negative light.
 
But that doesn't stop the thread getting crowded with responses to your posts, does it?

You're not adding anything, so bugger off.
Why don’t you learn to cope, place me on ignore and pound sand. That is what the button is for, and you can continue to enjoy life without reading my posts. We can then happily social distance from each other.
 
Arguing with Jonesy is like arguing with a 5 year old

Jonesy: "I swear the US will run away and you'll never see us again, and you'll all be sorry".
ARRSE: "Sod off and leave then."
Jonesy: "We'll do it, we'll run away, we're serious".
ARRSE: "Then f'in get on with it and leave".
Etc.

We've heard it, nobody cares, change the channel.
 
Arguing with Jonesy is like arguing with a 5 year old

Jonesy: "I swear the US will run away and you'll never see us again, and you'll all be sorry".
ARRSE: "Sod off and leave then."
Jonesy: "We'll do it, we'll run away, we're serious".
ARRSE: "Then f'in get on with it and leave".
Etc.

We've heard it, nobody cares, change the channel.
Then care to explain the members of the British Parliament who do care about the issue, my Canadian pal?
 

Houseboy

Old-Salt
Arguing with Jonesy is like arguing with a 5 year old

Jonesy: "I swear the US will run away and you'll never see us again, and you'll all be sorry".
ARRSE: "Sod off and leave then."
Jonesy: "We'll do it, we'll run away, we're serious".
ARRSE: "Then f'in get on with it and leave".
Etc.

We've heard it, nobody cares, change the channel.
I don’t understand why Jonesy came back; he said he flounced after JumpinJarHead took some low level grief.

He can of course post here as he wishes, and opposing views are to be welcomed, but with his America Big RoW Small condescending attitude and faux friendly good ole boy act, he is diametrically opposed any train of thought posted here.

His victim whining about how the Saudis tried do the US over and how the UK is so beastly for not buying as dire by the US, and theyll take their Int assets home and scream and scream until they sick.

Frankly, I think the US has had its day in the UK; it’s soldiers kill ours wth impunity, it’s citizens kill ours with impunity and at least with Huawei we know the Chinese will be snooping on us and can test and adjust, rather than the US swearing blind with it’s fingers crossed behind it’s back, lying through its teeth that we’re it’s bezzers and they wouldn’t think of such badness.
 
State priority bubba. Hence the State Budget that sets aside money to fund the education system in the State budget.
And the shortfall gets paid by everyone else.

Ain't socialism grand?
 

A2_Matelot

LE
Book Reviewer
Actually it seems to be quite the opposite, more and more it seems the US is going it alone because our Allies can't contribute or fundamentally disagree with us to the point where they won't.
That's solely perception and is reinforced to suit agenda. The US is doing nothing alone, it really isn't, the amount of 2E/4E/5E stuff I see taking place has not changed one iota in reality. I note the US and France playing in Africa routinely and the US playing with any friend it can in the Indopacific region. That's a reality.

Who is in the Barents with the US today, who is in the Gulf with the US today, who is in the IndoPacom region with the US......

Last summer the UK opted to team up with France and Germany to deal with the Iranian problem.
And you don't think Commander 5th Fleet based in Bahrain wasn't involved?

I understand Trump is about as popular as syphilis over yonder. But look at it from a yokel's perspective.
Why?

The UK decided to place economic interests first and foremost at the expense of an intelligence sharing and security arrangement.
That's a very simplistic and naive view of a complex issue. Firstly I'd say there is nothing up front that says a sovereign nation can't manage it's own National Infrastructure. I don't believe the UK has whined petulantly that the US has used China Telecom internally, nor whined when it was abundantly clear that a lack of US controls had allowed Snowden to destroy years and $Bn of investment into said security arrangement putting capabilities back years if not decades.

I remain of the belief that 5G and Huawei is firmly more an economic issue than a security issue for the simple reason that most of the IC and militaries don't the public networks in the way others might think.

Ultimately whilst Trump is trumpeting a very nationalistic agenda, it has to be clear that the world simply doesn't work that way anymore and what is happening is playing to his electoral base on one level whilst trying to quietly play the world leader game still.
 
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