UK to allow Chinese into 5G network

#1
So, despite the other 5 Eyes community members not being willing to allow Huawei access into their 5G networks, due to security concerns, it looks like we have rolled over!

UK to allow Huawei to help build 5G

Perhaps the Government is too concerned that the Chinese will switch off the new nuclear power stations if we don't give in!

Madness. Sheer madness!
 
#2
The stupidity of it is obvious, so it begs the question why are the government allowing this

Are the Chinese going to spy on us and be allowed to get away with it, as long as the pass the useful data along?

I.e the old plausible denialibilty defence, we didn't spy on you it was those naughty chaps from Huawei

You can just imagine a government spokesperson saying we've changed our hairstyle since then and moved on, nothing to see here.....oh look a squirrel
 
#4
Well, that's May's retirement package sorted. I wonder how much the Chinese government paid the treacherous Primary Female Sexual Characteristic?
 

W21A

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#5
Every day my Hughie (Huawei) sends a text to an unknown sender. It may be pretty innocuous but then again 'Howzit guan Xi Jinping.'
 
#6
I struggle to understand how the People's Republic of China combines cut throat economic practices, including commercial and industrial espionage without any restraint, with the political control of Communism.

I imagine POTUS will express his view when he visits.

How much sensitive information will go over 5G? How much of a problem will this be?
 

Nemesis44UK

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#7
This is utter folly. Why would you let an adversarial international country so deep into your infrastructure? Same with Hinkley Point, or buying Russian gas.

So, when the UK does something the Chinese don't like, they can switch off our 5G network?

Also, it means that the US, Canada and other allied countries will no longer share sensitive information with us, because it could "leak" back to China.

The world's gone mad.
 
#8
If people are in any doubt at to the risks of this, read this article on the Africa Union Building.

Africa Union and Huwaei
 
#9
Well, that's May's retirement package sorted. I wonder how much the Chinese government paid the treacherous Primary Female Sexual Characteristic?
It would be funny - if it wasn't true :(

Parts of the 5 Eyes community won't even touch Cisco, let alone Huawei. Our credibility is being eroded by the default option of choosing the cheapest bidder.
 
#10
Police, security services etc are playing out of their skin, managing to stop dozens of attempted attacks before anyone is hurt and monitoring thousands of potential terrorists. This decision just made their job a lot harder, and this country less safe.

Bravo, Mrs May!
 
#11
5G by Huawei for the UK?

Goodbye, Five Eyes, it was nice knowing you.
 
#12
If people are in any doubt at to the risks of this, read this article on the Africa Union Building.

Africa Union and Huwaei

From the same article:

"China would not be the first supposedly friendly superpower to spy on the African Union. A separate investigation in December 2016, conducted by Le Monde and The Intercept, revealed that African Union officials were targeted for surveillance by British intelligence. "

;-)
 

DaManBugs

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#13
This is utter folly. Why would you let an adversarial international country so deep into your infrastructure? Same with Hinkley Point, or buying Russian gas.

So, when the UK does something the Chinese don't like, they can switch off our 5G network?

Also, it means that the US, Canada and other allied countries will no longer share sensitive information with us, because it could "leak" back to China.

The world's gone mad.
China is "adversarial"? So what exactly has China done that could be described as "adversarial"? Just like Russia, China's interested in good trade relations with the rest of the world, not in invading and occupying the UK, Europe or indeed anywhere else. Neither country has ever done anything to deserve it, but both have become the nemesis of the US. As such, we're subjected to constant (US) xenophobic propaganda that the Chinese and/or the Russians are going to blanket other nations with troops and eat all their children.

It all goes back to the PNAC document of the late 1980s which mandated that the US should achieve "full-spectrum" dominance over the rest of the world. That lofty aim is now being thoroughly frustrated by both the Chinese and the Russians. Therefore, it's only natural that the Septics should do everything in their power to demonise both nations.

You don't seem to have any difficulty with the fact that a Canuck is running the Bank of England, that the Boxheeds, Frogs and various other nations are running the UK railways, along with the electricity, gas and water utilities. It's also notable that when Hinkley Point was being discussed and negotiated, there was nary a mention that the Chinese might possibly be forming a Fifth Column within the UK. As usual, it's a question of "cui bono", innit?

MsG
 
#15
Despite any assurances the Chinese give UKGOV, they'd be beyond stupid if they didn't operate a back door.

Aye, they'll get caught out, but reading about our governments buffoonery at contracting/implementing IT systems, how long will it take?
 
#16
China is "adversarial"? So what exactly has China done that could be described as "adversarial"? Just like Russia, China's interested in good trade relations with the rest of the world, not in invading and occupying the UK, Europe or indeed anywhere else. Neither country has ever done anything to deserve it, but both have become the nemesis of the US. As such, we're subjected to constant (US) xenophobic propaganda that the Chinese and/or the Russians are going to blanket other nations with troops and eat all their children.

It all goes back to the PNAC document of the late 1980s which mandated that the US should achieve "full-spectrum" dominance over the rest of the world. That lofty aim is now being thoroughly frustrated by both the Chinese and the Russians. Therefore, it's only natural that the Septics should do everything in their power to demonise both nations.

You don't seem to have any difficulty with the fact that a Canuck is running the Bank of England, that the Boxheeds, Frogs and various other nations are running the UK railways, along with the electricity, gas and water utilities. It's also notable that when Hinkley Point was being discussed and negotiated, there was nary a mention that the Chinese might possibly be forming a Fifth Column within the UK. As usual, it's a question of "cui bono", innit?

MsG
Stop it. China steal stuff. Fact.
 
#19
From the same article:

"China would not be the first supposedly friendly superpower to spy on the African Union. A separate investigation in December 2016, conducted by Le Monde and The Intercept, revealed that African Union officials were targeted for surveillance by British intelligence. "

;-)
Think this covers your last statement

Captain Darling:
So you see, Blackadder, Field Marshall Haig is most anxious to eliminate all these Chinese spies.
General Melchett:
Filthy weasels, fighting their dirty underhand war!
Captain Darling:
And fortunately, one of our spies...
General Melchett:
Splendid fellows, brave heroes risking life and limb for Blighty!
 
#20
I suppose a lot of it depends on whether we are talking High Grade here (I suspect not).
 

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