UK Succession Laws Change

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  1. BBC News - Girls equal in British throne succession

    Apparently a bird can now become Queen if she's the eldest, but more confusing is that you don't have to be CofE...

    It's a Popish plot!

  2. I think you mean Papist.
  3. That'll upset Mr Paisley and his band of merry bigots. I wonder if they'll remain 'Loyal' when there's a Celtic supporter wearing the crown!
  4. Only the spouse may be RC as I understand it.
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  5. The monarch will still be CofE, but their spouse can be RC, which is about time.
    William could have married a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Witness and any other religion but not a RC.

  6. Do they not have to convert to CofE though? How would the wedding be legit if the service was done in a faith which the bride didn't belong to?
  7. Maybe the will have one of each flavour padres out the front and if/when there is any differences in the service they turn to the relevant lance skypixie for that bit?
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  8. I'm soooooo glad there is nothing more important for the Government and Commonwealth to sort out at the moment.
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  9. AIUI the only bit of the wedding service that has any legal standing is the signing the register bit. The rest is just for show.
  10. Indeed, There are currently no females who this succession law affects. And the the religous aspect would only ever raise its head if someone who is the monarch (or is likily to be) decides to marry a Roman Catholic who won't change their faith.

    Still, I'm sure the masses will be happy knowing that something that doesnt make a slightest bit of difference to 99.9999% of the population has had time and money spend on it.
  11. Correct. In the UK and quite a number of other countries this blurring of the line between civil law and canon (church) law in marriage dates primarily from the provision of the (English) Marriage Act of 1754. It causes considerable confusion to those who are unaware that marriage must first be a civil contract. The large representation of the Established Church in Parliament in 1754 (CofE), ensured the heavy religious presence in Law in what is in actual fact a private agreement (before that date marriage was a personal contract or marriage in-common-law - with voluntary religious input if the principals could afford the Church!). The increase in property ownership in the mid eighteenth century combined with later concerns about nationality required some form of legal compact - hence today's conditions for marriage. Many countries do not permit the overlapping of Canon and Civil Law as used in marriage in the UK for example. A marriage contract is formalised in a civil office in most such societies. In such countries if religion is involved it comes at a later stage (not necessarily on the same day) in a different (religious) venue. It is seen simply as a blessing on the agreement previously declared in the Registry office or its equivalent.

    Not all clergy in the UK are appointed a "Licensee of Marriage", (the authority within civil law that permits a bona fide officer of a religious faith to oversee the legal declaration and to supervise the signing of the appropriate document). Many of the public are unaware of this and believe any minister/vicar/priest etc can pronounce a couple to be married.

    So the matter of religion in marriage is largely irrelevant - as Prince Charles showed us in his marriage to Camilla. The 1754 Act was not concerned with love or romance, but with the proper control of wealth and property, and security of social position. We did have practical and straightforward law-making in those days!

    The (CofE - others were out in the cold for a time), was a willing and competent administrator of the new formalisation of something which had served well for hundreds of years - the private agreement of a man and a woman to look after one another for the mutual benefits that this would bring to themselves and to society in general. And the Church saw there was money to be made from it!

    There are actually some significant variations in the Law concerning marriage in the different parts of the UK, the difference in Scots and English law being the most obvious.