Uk Sovereignty intact despite French defence pact

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UK - Sovereignty intact despite French defence pact - Yahoo! News UK

More bad news I'm afraid. It seems that we are now tied in with the French ....yet again! Anyone remember 1914? Or even 1940? Why Oh Why do we have this obsession with Europe.....especially the losers. Come to that why don't we just buy a modern version of the Panhard EBR75. Only the French could have come up with an armoured vehicle that had a crew of 4......two of which were drivers. One at the front for advance and another at the rear for retreat!
 
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Yeah, lets stop using all those Phroggie missiles we have for starters, and the RAF should never have bought them Jaguars back in the 70's.
 
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The only fairly equal partnership in the view of the French was the one Marshal Petain signed in 1940 to save Paris.
 
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"There is a tendency for defence companies to say we find it difficult to access the French defence market, we find hidden obstacles. Well we will want to explore those," Fox said.

In recent years, France has bought several hundred Land Rovers, almost a hundred JCB diggers, Maxikites sights and has selected GQ to replace its Aerazur parachutes...the GIGN and FRA Navy SF have bought AI sniper rifles.... can someone enlighten me on what the Brit armed forces purchased in France in the same period ?
 
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"There is a tendency for defence companies to say we find it difficult to access the French defence market, we find hidden obstacles. Well we will want to explore those," Fox said.

In recent years, France has bought several hundred Land Rovers, almost a hundred JCB diggers, Maxikites sights and has selected GQ to replace its Aerazur parachutes...the GIGN and FRA Navy SF have bought AI sniper rifles.... can someone enlighten me on what the Brit armed forces purchased in France in the same period ?
ASTER 15 & 30 missiles - worth a tad more in value than a few hundred Landies
 
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I wouldn't exactly call Land Rover a British company anymore, either.

Sold to BMW in 1994, now owned by TATA motors.
 
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Triple pedant

PzKpfw Steyr ADGZ Armored Car

Developed as a heavy armored car for the Austrian army from 1934 and delivered from 1935-37. A production series was considered. When Germany occupied Austria during "Anschluss" in 1938, they obtained 27 of these units from the Austrian army (12 ADGZ road-tanks were part of the Austrian army as of March 1938, all in the Fast Division, while 14 were part of the police and gernarmerie which makes 26 - where the extra one came from described before is simply a dispute between my sources). The PzKpfw Steyr ADGZ Armored Cars were assigned to Police detachments and SS units.

In 1941, the SS ordered an additional 25 ADGZ. Delivered in 1942, they entered service in Russia and the Balkans.

An interesting feature of this vehicle was that there was no "rear". Either end was capable of driving the unit.

 
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In recent years, France has bought several hundred Land Rovers, almost a hundred JCB diggers, Maxikites sights and has selected GQ to replace its Aerazur parachutes...the GIGN and FRA Navy SF have bought AI sniper rifles.... can someone enlighten me on what the Brit armed forces purchased in France in the same period ?
Isn't the dreadful, useless, dangerous Reynolds Boughton actually Renault?

However, I digress. I'm for closer integration with the French over defence capability.
 
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can someone enlighten me on what the Brit armed forces purchased in France in the same period ?
Anything by Thales (of which there is lots - although it tends to be expensive shit in things rather than the cheap and dowdy exterior) - more French than runny cheese. Certainly more French than BAE are British ...
 
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Any pact is only as strong as the trust that exists between the pactees.

You could definitely trust the French to screw you over if they would benefit from it - for example, by informing the enemy that you were about to bomb them so they'd be friendly to the french, post-conflict. And to make matters worse, they'd insist on everybody learning French, instead of them conforming to NATO standard English.

If the French Govt don't want to risk their political capital, they won't deploy their troops on an Op that we think we need them for. Does anybody think the Charles de Gaulle would have sailed in support of TELIC 1 if this pact had been in place? No? Then the pact is worthless, militarily. Politically though, it provides an excuse to cut budgets...

That said, I can see the benefit of the odd exchange trip. They could have our skanky chavettes, and we'd have their mademoiselles. Bit of immac and they'd scrub up lovely...
 
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I did hear that some Anglians stopped off at the McDonalds in Calais - only the once mind.

"There is a tendency for defence companies to say we find it difficult to access the French defence market, we find hidden obstacles. Well we will want to explore those," Fox said.

In recent years, France has bought several hundred Land Rovers, almost a hundred JCB diggers, Maxikites sights and has selected GQ to replace its Aerazur parachutes...the GIGN and FRA Navy SF have bought AI sniper rifles.... can someone enlighten me on what the Brit armed forces purchased in France in the same period ?
 

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