UK Socialists-Glenton Gets "Fantastic" Response Fm Military

#1
An example of how Glenton is being used for propaganda purposes:

Troops give anti-war soldier Joe Glenton a 'fantastic' response


Joe Glenton on last Saturday’s anti-war demonstration (Pic: » Guy Smallman)


by Siân Ruddick

Joe Glenton, a British soldier who is refusing to return to fight in Afghanistan, received the backing of his fellow troops after he led more than 10,000 protesters on last Saturday’s Stop the War demonstration in London.

Joe hit the news last week after it was revealed that he was refusing to follow military orders not to attend the march.

Him coming could add to the case that the army is bringing against him for speaking out about the horror and illegality of the war.

But Joe told Socialist Worker, “It felt empowering to be on the demonstration. I was surrounded by like-minded people—from the military and ordinary walks of life.”

Joe is still stationed in barracks, and he lives with other soldiers during the week.

“I was slightly worried on Sunday night about going back in, but I thought I’ll just see what they thought.

“The response was fantastic. Soldiers shook my hand and patted me on the back.

“One guy said, ‘You’re saying what everyone else is thinking.’

“I think there has always been support for people speaking out, and it has raised a debate inside the army.”

Discontent over the intensifying war in Afghanistan has spread in the army over recent months—and it has had a deep effect in the ranks.

Joe said, “I feel like I’m strutting round, not tip-toeing, after hearing what the guys think.

“Talking to soldiers in other units, you get the impression that people are questioning why we’re in Afghanistan.”


In September, in addition to the original charge of desertion and intent to avoid active duty, the army wanted to charge Joe with bringing the army into disrepute by speaking out.

Joe and his legal team fought for this charge to be dropped—and they won.

Joe said, “I feel like we are in the ascendancy now. We’ve taken the initiative.

“We’ll have to see what happens in the coming weeks—if they bring more trumped up charges we’ll take them on.”

Joe is continuing to speak out and encourages others to do the same. “We have to start talking and demanding the details,” he said.

“Write to your MP for answers, get out on the streets, demonstrate and debate. Whatever people can do to stop this war, they should do it.”

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=19417
Companion article:

Thousands surge against the war


Protesters took to the streets in London last Saturday against the war in Afghanistan (Pic: » Guy Smallman)


by Siân Ruddick

“Money for jobs and education, not for war and occupation”
So went the cry on the streets of London last Saturday as over 10,000 people turned out to protest against the bloody and illegal conflict in Afghanistan.

“Money for jobs and education, not for war and occupation!”

So went the cry on the streets of London last Saturday as over 10,000 people turned out to protest against the bloody and illegal conflict in Afghanistan.

The mood was defiant, as soldiers and their families, including serving soldier Joe Glenton—who was breaking orders by being on the march—led the demonstration.

Long-standing campaigners and first time demonstrators gathered in Hyde Park to begin the march.

Support for the war in Afghanistan is wearing thin.

A Channel 4/YouGov poll at the weekend showed that

62 percent of people in Britain want the troops home from Afghanistan within a year.

An overwhelming 84 percent of people think British troops are losing the war.

Rozina Ashraf and her daughter Haseena are from Shirley, Solihull. They came to the protest on the Birmingham Stop the War coach.

“We have to make a stand against this pointless war,” Rozina told Socialist Worker.

“It’s good to know that some soldiers are now speaking out—they are realising that the problem is not Muslims but the British government.

“These wars in the Middle East are all about oil.”

Haseena said that it was her first ever demonstration. “If I had one message for the government, it would be to stop following the US into these wars,” she said.

There were over 65 banners on the demonstration, many of them from local Stop the War and peace groups from across the country.

Some had travelled many miles. Kate Rutherford came overnight on a coach from Glasgow. She said, “Our leaders are drunk with power. It breaks my heart to see so many men, women and children killed in Afghanistan.

“Those who led us into this war should be brought to book. They are war criminals. It makes me ashamed to be British.

“I left school at the age of 15, but I know the difference between right and wrong.”


The presence of military families boosted people’s confidence.

Jayme from Brighton said, “People say that the anti-war movement is demoralising the troops, but today shows that that is a load of rubbish.

“We don’t want any more deaths from these wars.

“The more soldiers speak out, the more we see how let down and manipulated they are by the army.”

For many, the anti-war protest was the latest of several days of activity.

Lewie Morris and Alistair Holmes were part of a group of Sheffield students who had been at anti-fascist protests at the BBC on Thursday and post, bus and fire picket lines on the Friday.

They then came to London on the Saturday.

Lewie told Socialist Worker, “As time goes on, this war becomes more untenable.

“The idea that it was for liberation was always false.

“Now they are saying it could be going on another five years and that the government could send thousands more troops.”

Alistair added, “The idea that Western troops can bring liberation is patronising and racist. The only way is for people to liberate themselves.”

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=19411
 
#2
jumpinjarhead said:
An example of how Glenton is being used for propaganda purposes:

Troops give anti-war soldier Joe Glenton a 'fantastic' response


Joe Glenton on last Saturday’s anti-war demonstration (Pic: » Guy Smallman)


by Siân Ruddick

Joe Glenton, a British soldier who is refusing to return to fight in Afghanistan, received the backing of his fellow troops after he led more than 10,000 protesters on last Saturday’s Stop the War demonstration in London.

Joe hit the news last week after it was revealed that he was refusing to follow military orders not to attend the march.

Him coming could add to the case that the army is bringing against him for speaking out about the horror and illegality of the war.

But Joe told Socialist Worker, “It felt empowering to be on the demonstration. I was surrounded by like-minded people—from the military and ordinary walks of life.”

Joe is still stationed in barracks, and he lives with other soldiers during the week.

“I was slightly worried on Sunday night about going back in, but I thought I’ll just see what they thought.

“The response was fantastic. Soldiers shook my hand and patted me on the back.

“One guy said, ‘You’re saying what everyone else is thinking.’

“I think there has always been support for people speaking out, and it has raised a debate inside the army.”

Discontent over the intensifying war in Afghanistan has spread in the army over recent months—and it has had a deep effect in the ranks.

Joe said, “I feel like I’m strutting round, not tip-toeing, after hearing what the guys think.

“Talking to soldiers in other units, you get the impression that people are questioning why we’re in Afghanistan.”

In September, in addition to the original charge of desertion and intent to avoid active duty, the army wanted to charge Joe with bringing the army into disrepute by speaking out.

Joe and his legal team fought for this charge to be dropped—and they won.

Joe said, “I feel like we are in the ascendancy now. We’ve taken the initiative.

“We’ll have to see what happens in the coming weeks—if they bring more trumped up charges we’ll take them on.”

Joe is continuing to speak out and encourages others to do the same. “We have to start talking and demanding the details,” he said.

“Write to your MP for answers, get out on the streets, demonstrate and debate. Whatever people can do to stop this war, they should do it.”

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=19417
Companion article:

Thousands surge against the war


Protesters took to the streets in London last Saturday against the war in Afghanistan (Pic: » Guy Smallman)


by Siân Ruddick

“Money for jobs and education, not for war and occupation”
So went the cry on the streets of London last Saturday as over 10,000 people turned out to protest against the bloody and illegal conflict in Afghanistan.

“Money for jobs and education, not for war and occupation!”

So went the cry on the streets of London last Saturday as over 10,000 people turned out to protest against the bloody and illegal conflict in Afghanistan.

The mood was defiant, as soldiers and their families, including serving soldier Joe Glenton—who was breaking orders by being on the march—led the demonstration.

Long-standing campaigners and first time demonstrators gathered in Hyde Park to begin the march.

Support for the war in Afghanistan is wearing thin.

A Channel 4/YouGov poll at the weekend showed that

62 percent of people in Britain want the troops home from Afghanistan within a year.

An overwhelming 84 percent of people think British troops are losing the war.

Rozina Ashraf and her daughter Haseena are from Shirley, Solihull. They came to the protest on the Birmingham Stop the War coach.

“We have to make a stand against this pointless war,” Rozina told Socialist Worker.

“It’s good to know that some soldiers are now speaking out—they are realising that the problem is not Muslims but the British government.

“These wars in the Middle East are all about oil.”

Haseena said that it was her first ever demonstration. “If I had one message for the government, it would be to stop following the US into these wars,” she said.

There were over 65 banners on the demonstration, many of them from local Stop the War and peace groups from across the country.

Some had travelled many miles. Kate Rutherford came overnight on a coach from Glasgow. She said, “Our leaders are drunk with power. It breaks my heart to see so many men, women and children killed in Afghanistan.

“Those who led us into this war should be brought to book. They are war criminals. It makes me ashamed to be British.

“I left school at the age of 15, but I know the difference between right and wrong.”

The presence of military families boosted people’s confidence.

Jayme from Brighton said, “People say that the anti-war movement is demoralising the troops, but today shows that that is a load of rubbish.

“We don’t want any more deaths from these wars.

“The more soldiers speak out, the more we see how let down and manipulated they are by the army.”

For many, the anti-war protest was the latest of several days of activity.

Lewie Morris and Alistair Holmes were part of a group of Sheffield students who had been at anti-fascist protests at the BBC on Thursday and post, bus and fire picket lines on the Friday.

They then came to London on the Saturday.

Lewie told Socialist Worker, “As time goes on, this war becomes more untenable.

“The idea that it was for liberation was always false.

“Now they are saying it could be going on another five years and that the government could send thousands more troops.”

Alistair added, “The idea that Western troops can bring liberation is patronising and racist. The only way is for people to liberate themselves.”

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=19411
Good to see that they are working hard on their respective courses.
 
#5
Ah this is the bloke who went awol , moved to Australia then when he couldn't get his visa renewed claimed he went awol to avoid getting sent to Afghanistan

Point being no one should believe a word he says . He's such a natural born liar I'm shocked he's not been made a government minister
 
#6
Spanny said:
Ah this is the bloke who went awol , moved to Australia then when he couldn't get his visa renewed claimed he went awol to avoid getting sent to Afghanistan

Point being no one should believe a word he says . He's such a natural born liar I'm shocked he's not been made a government minister
You fellows have no compassion for the downtrodden-not to mention that the sticking plaster on his neck suggests he got a nasty "boo boo" and may need medical attention.
 
#8
TangoFowerAlpha said:
The gungy fecker didn't cut himself shaving, that's for sure.
But don't all the girls like that 5 o'clock shadow?
 
#9
Spanny said:
Ah this is the bloke who went awol , moved to Australia then when he couldn't get his visa renewed claimed he went awol to avoid getting sent to Afghanistan

Point being no one should believe a word he says . He's such a natural born liar I'm shocked he's not been made a government minister
Not heard about the Aussie bit care to enlighten me and all the others who missed this bit about this waste of space.
 
#10
BudF said:
Spanny said:
Ah this is the bloke who went awol , moved to Australia then when he couldn't get his visa renewed claimed he went awol to avoid getting sent to Afghanistan

Point being no one should believe a word he says . He's such a natural born liar I'm shocked he's not been made a government minister
Not heard about the Aussie bit care to enlighten me and all the others who missed this bit about this waste of space.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/03/british-army-alleged-deserter-court




Glenton, from York, joined the army in 2004 but went absent without leave in 2007 after serving with the Royal Logistic Corps in Afghanistan.

He handed himself in after two years and six days' absence, during which he went to south-east Asia and Australia

Ten seconds on Google, and I found that on The Right Wing Guardian.
It's not difficult. Your'e either lazy or being difficult.
 
#11
socalist worker is read by ten students and reg from Mi5 he's part time now
but it gets him out of the house and it would be frankly embarssing if any of the many many leftist groups actualy caused problems :roll: and nobody knew
 
#12
hairyarse2 said:
BudF said:
Spanny said:
Ah this is the bloke who went awol , moved to Australia then when he couldn't get his visa renewed claimed he went awol to avoid getting sent to Afghanistan

Point being no one should believe a word he says . He's such a natural born liar I'm shocked he's not been made a government minister
Not heard about the Aussie bit care to enlighten me and all the others who missed this bit about this waste of space.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/03/british-army-alleged-deserter-court




Glenton, from York, joined the army in 2004 but went absent without leave in 2007 after serving with the Royal Logistic Corps in Afghanistan.

He handed himself in after two years and six days' absence, during which he went to south-east Asia and Australia

Ten seconds on Google, and I found that on The Right Wing Guardian.
It's not difficult. Your'e either lazy or being difficult.
I'm sure most questions can be asked and answered using Google, but sometimes, people might ask a question just to get a bit of dialogue going.

Chill the feck out :D
 
#13
Joined in 2004 and went missing in 2007? So knock off basic training and that makes him a seasoned "vet" with about 2 years service, during which time he served with the RLC in Afghanistan!!!! Feck me.... i've seen more action in the NAAFI. How dare he be referred to as a soldier.... he brings shame to the uniform and insult to all the real soldiers serving on Ops around the world.

So he has issues! Fine.... he should man up, shut up, take his punishment and feck off out! He can object all he wants to then. What a grade A tosser!
 
#14
hairyarse2 said:
BudF said:
Spanny said:
Ah this is the bloke who went awol , moved to Australia then when he couldn't get his visa renewed claimed he went awol to avoid getting sent to Afghanistan

Point being no one should believe a word he says . He's such a natural born liar I'm shocked he's not been made a government minister
Not heard about the Aussie bit care to enlighten me and all the others who missed this bit about this waste of space.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/03/british-army-alleged-deserter-court




Glenton, from York, joined the army in 2004 but went absent without leave in 2007 after serving with the Royal Logistic Corps in Afghanistan.

He handed himself in after two years and six days' absence, during which he went to south-east Asia and Australia

Ten seconds on Google, and I found that on The Right Wing Guardian.
It's not difficult. Your'e either lazy or being difficult.



You are right being a lazy twat sat in a hotel bar in Warrington at the moment.
 
#15
BudF said:
You are right being a lazy twat sat in a hotel bar in Warrington at the moment.
Have a pint for me then, barstard. :D :D