UK Shale gas sites to be sealed - WTF?

I don't give a **** how we do it - but we need to become energy independent, with a healthy national reserve.

If that means Fracking has to be done until other methods are more efficient, so be it - open the coal mines too, except have a plan what to do when they become uneconomical again.
They say there is about 80,000,000 tons of coal under the UK, and the knowledge to convert it into petrol for cars fitted with catalytic converters is at least 80+ years old, and precipitator filters fitted to coal burning power stations filter out 100% of the the chemicals that can be re-claimed and re-used, so whats the problem? ;)
 
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Agreed on the fcuk paying Russia for oil. But if the Fracking gets the go ahead, are we not just lining the pockets of the French instead? I would still like to see an alternative to Fracking, something just doesn't sit right with me on the principle behind it.
I live in the 'ring of fire' where earthquakes are frequent, daily at times, and even the little ones do not destabilise the earth's core and damage the ozone layer. Fracking charges are nothing in comparison. However, Green 'scientists' always but always seem to allude to the substrata as being some pristine and fragile layer that nobody disturbed with blasting as they mined it for resources, and a feck-off big moon was not stirring the core 24/7 365 days a year for millennia. Lining the pockets of the French? I praise your Brexit stoic, but what they earn does not cost the UK taxpayer anywhere near as much as importing oil, with money that could be used for other things.

The alternatives are nuclear power stations, or perhaps solving the extraction process from the big oil fields once the natural gas, that assisted the pumping, has significantly decreased. Perhaps you can devise a huge suction pump to get at the remainder?
 
They say their is about 80,000,000 tons of coal under the UK, and the knowledge to convert it into petrol for cars fitted with catalytic converters is at least 80+ years old, and precipitator filters fitted to coal burning power stations filter out 100% of the the chemicals that can be re-claimed and re-used, so whats the problem? ;)
The unions making it cheaper to import from abroad.
 
Yup - but it has to be part of a wider strategy to turn the country around from a cultural and societal perspective. But that's for another thread.
No wider strategy required than power-outs in mid winter and at the height of summer.
 
Agreed on the fcuk paying Russia for oil. But if the Fracking gets the go ahead, are we not just lining the pockets of the French instead? I would still like to see an alternative to Fracking, something just doesn't sit right with me on the principle behind it.
Can you explain this for me please.
 
Can you explain this for me please.
Isn't it a French company who got the contract to carry out the Fracking in the UK?

Apologies if I'm talking bollocks.

ETA: Might have been the Nuclear Powerplants I'm getting confused with.
 
Isn't it a French company who got the contract to carry out the Fracking in the UK?

Apologies if I'm talking bollocks.

ETA: Might have been the Nuclear Powerplants I'm getting confused with.
Nope.

Formed in the UK in 2007, Cuadrilla is a privately owned British exploration and production company focused on discovering and recovering natural resources, primarily natural gas, from shale rock.
Cuadrilla aims to be a model company for exploring and developing shale gas in the UK. We are acutely aware of the responsibilities this brings, particularly with regard to safety, environmental protection and working with local communities. Shale gas exploration and development can be carried out safely, securely and in an environmentally responsible way, and we will do that, so that as a country we have less need to use coal to generate electricity and import less gas from overseas.
The company currently has onshore exploration licences in the North and South of the UK. You can find out more about our sites here.
Cuadrilla is owned 96% by AJ Lucas, an Australian specialist service provider to the energy, mining and infrastructure sector and the remaining 4% by Cuadrilla employees (including former employees). The company is registered in the UK. You can view our latest report and accounts here.
Francis Egan is the Cuadrilla CEO.
 
Isn't it a French company who got the contract to carry out the Fracking in the UK?

Apologies if I'm talking bollocks.
No. The main company involved was Cuadrilla who are a privately owned British company.

In any case, the nationality of the company doing the production is irrelevant. They will make a profit from producing and selling hydrocarbons, but they still have to pay tax to the UK exchequer. Taxes on hydrocarbon production are "ring-fenced", which means that tax is liable regardless of the location of the head-office and cannot be offset against other company losses unlike normal corporation tax.
 

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Francis Egan is the Cuadrilla CEO. and he's a bollix -talking bog-trotter. The amount of white he spouts reminds you of another bollix-talking bog-trotter who invests these pages like the disease he is!
 
Francis Egan is the Cuadrilla CEO. and he's a bollix -talking bog-trotter. The amount of white he spouts reminds you of another bollix-talking bog-trotter who invests these pages like the disease he is!
The other company who had a major interest in UK shale was INEOS.
 
Nope.

Formed in the UK in 2007, Cuadrilla is a privately owned British exploration and production company focused on discovering and recovering natural resources, primarily natural gas, from shale rock.
Cuadrilla aims to be a model company for exploring and developing shale gas in the UK. We are acutely aware of the responsibilities this brings, particularly with regard to safety, environmental protection and working with local communities. Shale gas exploration and development can be carried out safely, securely and in an environmentally responsible way, and we will do that, so that as a country we have less need to use coal to generate electricity and import less gas from overseas.
The company currently has onshore exploration licences in the North and South of the UK. You can find out more about our sites here.
Cuadrilla is owned 96% by AJ Lucas, an Australian specialist service provider to the energy, mining and infrastructure sector and the remaining 4% by Cuadrilla employees (including former employees). The company is registered in the UK. You can view our latest report and accounts here.
Francis Egan is the Cuadrilla CEO.
Cuadrilla, sounds like something from a horror movie.
 
I've mentioned this before, but it's worth putting this into a little context.

In the US, one of the most successful shale plays is the Barnett Shale in North Texas. It took something like 20 years and 300 wells to get the point where it could be proven to be economically viable. That is in a State whose regulatory authority is the Texas Railroad Commission, and who are not known for the thoroughness of their oversight.

In the mid-2010s there was a great deal of excitement in Poland, when they realised that they were sitting on a shale play with a potential for about 5tcm of gas. In the end, they only drilled 72 wells before the combination of poor flow rates, a complex regulatory environment, unfavourable geology and high costs killed it. Nobody fracks in Poland now. Funnily enough, the pioneer there was an Irish company but Conoco-Phillips and other majors were involved as well.

The position we are in with the Bowland Shale is that we have an estimated reserve of 35tcm but have drilled something like a dozen exploration wells (I'm not sure on this detail) and simply have no idea whether it can be economically produced or not. On top of that, the regulatory framework is likely to be the toughest seen anywhere and even the North of England is not a low-cost operating environment.

Should we be drilling and fracking? Absolutely. Even if it is just to give a full assessment of what the resource is.
 

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Credit where credit due,
When EDF took over the nuclear power stations in the UK, most of them were due to close,
EDF spent around £30 million on extending the life of the plants.
This mess we are in is all down to the Tory and Labour governments,



But there are six nuclear plants due to shut down over the next few years, there were 7 plants, one has already gone, then the S**T will hit the fan

 
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If you do a bit of investigating...IIRC there is a shale gas pumping station in the NE that has been on the go since the 70's. The shale deposits sit under a bird sanctuary and, there has never been any problems.

I also seem to remember lots of drilling under Lincolnshire.
 
They say there is about 80,000,000 tons of coal under the UK, and the knowledge to convert it into petrol for cars fitted with catalytic converters is at least 80+ years old, and precipitator filters fitted to coal burning power stations filter out 100% of the the chemicals that can be re-claimed and re-used, so whats the problem? ;)
Maggie is revolving at speed in the grave. The miners are back, and Arthur is still alive..(Just) And all because of the Russians..:)
 
Credit where credit due,
When EDF took over the nuclear power stations in the UK, most of them were due to close,
EDF spent around £30 million on extending the life of the plants.
This mess we are in is all down to the government,



But there are six nuclear plants due to shut down over the next few years, there were 7 plants, one has already gone, then the S**T will hit the fan

Out of 26 Nuclear Power Stations that have been decommissioned...only four have been actioned by this government...might I suggest 'governments'. A bit like the mythical Coal mines that Thatcher shut...blame the other side first ! ;-)
 
If you do a bit of investigating...IIRC there is a shale gas pumping station in the NE that has been on the go since the 70's. The shale deposits sit under a bird sanctuary and, there has never been any problems.

I also seem to remember lots of drilling under Lincolnshire.
The Bowland Shale (properly called the Bowland-Hodder shale) extends into parts of Lincolnshire.
 

anglo

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Out of 26 Nuclear Power Stations that have been decommissioned...only four have been actioned by this government...might I suggest 'governments'. A bit like the mythical Coal mines that Thatcher shut...blame the other side first ! ;-)
You are right, I should have added an S, ⁣;)
 
Maggie is revolving at speed in the grave. The miners are back, and Arthur is still alive..(Just) And all because of the Russians..:)
I don't think the Maggie has to much to worry about, the cost of re-opening the mines, or locating new seams even open cast, and extracting, transporting it by rail, and possibly refining it into petrol, is prohibitive, and where today would you get the workforce to go down the pit. Could you see or even envisage tech savvy 18 year old modern "yoofs" getting their hands dirty, 1000 feet below ground, " it ain't gonna happen bruv!" and the government have more pressing things to spend OUR money on, like an obscene pay rise for themselves, and pissing it up the wall in oversees aid. ;)
 

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The Bowland Shale (properly called the Bowland-Hodder shale) extends into parts of Lincolnshire.
I was stationed at RAF Hemswell in the early 1960s, there was one of those nodding donkey
pumps, in a wood near Corringham, I was told it was pumping oil
There's reckoned to be around 30 million barrels in Lincolnshire
 
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