UK seeks strategic relationship with India

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Possibly. Or perhaps one where both sides see a potential win-win. After all we've got previous form, which could have been worse. Would you rather watch the Russians win from the sidelines; hope for scraps from Uncle Sam's table, or try to retain some indigenous capacity in the UK? A Minister stepping up to broadcast that having the UK as a friend has value. Shock horror. No offence, but it makes a pleasant change from Benign Neglect.
 
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About time. We need to be branching out in this increasingly mutipolar world. A strategic relationship with India will do us wanders a few decades down the line.

We need to step back from the USA a bit and start doing some more of this. We should also be branching out to Brazil, China and even (Shock horror) Russia.
 

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Well seeing they have all of our kit, even the stuff that isnt ours we have probably paid for and lets face it they still are a large army whhere we struggle to be a defence force! Lets pat them on the back and let them kill all the somali pirates!
 
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Well seeing they have all of our kit, even the stuff that isnt ours we have probably paid for and lets face it they still are a large army whhere we struggle to be a defence force! Lets pat them on the back and let them kill all the somali pirates!
That's the spirit Gent's. 10 out of 10 for enthusiasm. We're already involved in flogging vastly overpriced yacht's to Russian oligarch's. They've grown up on a diet of black market James Bond DVD's and know that we do "Baddie" gear better than anyone. If memory serve me right the Indians have previous form in that part of the world, Ugly. With whazzis name, Sir Alf Garnett Wolseley. Clear win to the away team.
 
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I'm all in favour of it. It's about time we built something on the commonwealth other than rhetoric and embassy cake and arse parties.
 
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Well, since they've already bought out our steel industry, our last car maker and about to buy one of our larger oil refineries...why not sell 'em the rest?
 

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As long as we are not invading Kashmir next month then it can only be good!
 
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I'm all in favour of it. It's about time we built something on the commonwealth other than rhetoric and embassy cake and arse parties.
A fair point. I've had some involvement on the periphery of it. The generic view was that we were the ones that were dicking about, content to keep it all style over substance.
Tell me some more about these arse parties. I 've been to a few and had precious little arse (none!); even when the matelot's were invited/hosting. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Good. Glad to hear it.

My only questions are, "Do they want it and on what terms?" I suspect the Indian elite are rather less nostalgic about the Raj and rather more pragmatic about the future than we.


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^There is plenty of mutual benefit to be had. I see no reason why they would oppose this.
It depends on how pragmatic they're prepared to be. There's still a lot of raw feeling among their elite when it comes to dealing with the former colonial overlords.

I agree there's much benefit to be had for both parties, but let's bot get too nostalgic for the good old days lest we forget they looked different from the other side.

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We have a history (recent too) of keeping alliances with two nations at war alive, see Turkey and Greece for proof of NATO duplicity!
 
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What next. Postings out to India to train with the Indian Army?? Better get my Granpaw's First World War 'Book of Indian Army Hindi' phrases dusted off.....
 
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About time. We need to be branching out in this increasingly mutipolar world. A strategic relationship with India will do us wanders a few decades down the line.

We need to step back from the USA a bit and start doing some more of this. We should also be branching out to Brazil, China and even (Shock horror) Russia.
Funny you should say that. Some years ago, when the Cold War was alive and kicking, I was having a conversation about this very subject with my son who was serving at the time.

My opinion was that in the future this country would loosen its ties with the US, and start making alliances with other countries, including what was then the USSR. My lad almost fell over laughing at the thought of an alliance with Russia, but here we are today imagining just that sort of alliance. Strange world isn't it?
 
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What next. Postings out to India to train with the Indian Army?? Better get my Granpaw's First World War 'Book of Indian Army Hindi' phrases dusted off.....
The British Army has already had some exercises with the Indian Army, especially in the High Altitude Areas.

The interaction was in English, :wink: :)

General Sir Micheal Rose, who was born in India and was a stepson of John Masters, before he took over as Commander, United Nations Protection Force, Bosnia-Herzegovina toured India's counter insurgency areas extensively, as a guest of India. I had the privilege of meeting him.

There has been cooperation between the Indian Army and the British Army.

It depends on how pragmatic they're prepared to be. There's still a lot of raw feeling among their elite when it comes to dealing with the former colonial overlords.

I agree there's much benefit to be had for both parties, but let's bot get too nostalgic for the good old days lest we forget they looked different from the other side.

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There is no raw feelings about the colonial times. Very few are there of the colonial times to get worked up about!

Yes, in today's world, it is pragmatism that is necessary.

Good. Glad to hear it.

My only questions are, "Do they want it and on what terms?" I suspect the Indian elite are rather less nostalgic about the Raj and rather more pragmatic about the future than we.


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The terms can always be worked out. It is the intent that is essential. It has to be on equal footing.


As per the report, it is hardly strategic. It is all about British cooperation in the defence industry. There is immense openings for the British defence industry in India.

British goods are returning to India. Land Rover and Jaguar are already making a great start.

But hopefully the stuff we cooperate for should not be what Prince Philip had said

While touring a factory near Edinburgh he said a fuse box was so crude that it "looked as though it had been put in by an Indian". No offense to Indians, but am I the only one who believes that this might be is true? :) :)

Read more: Gaffe of Prince Philip | Qatar Living

I like Prince Philip. He shoots from the hip! :)

The strategic relations with the US is not only in the defence industry, but also on issues of global security in that region.
 
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Here is the response from an Indian forum

Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
Where all can the British be of help?


BAE makes some of the best EW equipment in the world sir.

http://www.baesystems.com/Capabiliti...ures/index.htm

The entire export orders of the F-35 will have the BAE developed Barracuda EW suite.

Also, the army wants pretty big equipment in order to sanitize the air around them. They started off with Samyukta system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samyukt...Warfare_System

....And are further developing on it. You could probably get better information through serving contacts about this sir. Perhaps BAE can provide defence solutions or even consultation on this to DRDO.

Then I am sure Army would like this on their tanks too;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...invisible.html

They have a pretty good track record in the field of directed energy weapons. Something the IA is interested in to equip the FMBT.

Beyond this they have stuff the Navy will like a lot too.
 

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#19
From the hip? Phil the Greek shoots from the Lip old boy!
 
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I don't get it, does this relationship mean we have to pay India more in international aid or less?
 

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