UK: Secret Iraq papers reveal blunders and concealment

#1
The “appalling” errors that contributed to Britain’s failure in Iraq are disclosed in the most detailed and damning set of leaks to emerge on the conflict.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...t-papers-reveal-blunders-and-concealment.html


Secret plans for war, no plans for peace

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-Secret-plans-for-war-no-plans-for-peace.html


Britain 'unprepared' for nation building

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...t-Britain-unprepared-for-nation-building.html


Troops 'rushed' into battle without armour or training

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...d-into-battle-without-armour-or-training.html
 
#2
From the last article:

But the men of 16 Air Assault had it comparatively easy. Some Royal Marines from another elite formation, 3 Commando Brigade, also flew....

It would seem that the Daily Telegraph's definition of 'elite formation' is pretty broad-minded.
 
#3
Aggernon said:
From the last article:

But the men of 16 Air Assault had it comparatively easy. Some Royal Marines from another elite formation, 3 Commando Brigade, also flew....

It would seem that the Daily Telegraph's definition of 'elite formation' is pretty broad-minded.
I'm sure the relevance of that comment will be taken into account when this government's record is brought to book.
 
#4
I remember 'Flash' telling me on the Aviation Board that they where each issued only 8 rounds for the 9 mill Browning when going out on ops.
john
 
#8
Very telling comment…


"… It identifies a long list of “significant” weaknesses and notes: “A more capable enemy would probably have punished these shortcomings severely.…"

And considering B'Liar and the boy Bush were up for starting a pissing match with the Iranians who ARE a far more capable enemy, it's a bloody good job we did get bogged down and that idea got kicked into touch.
 

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#9
A Source said:
One described the supply chain as “absolutely appalling”, saying: “I know for a fact that there was one container full of skis in the desert.”
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That just proves how good the intelligence was
Baghdad dry ski slope opened 08:00 - 17:00 Mon - Fri and 08:00 - 20:00 Sat - Sun consessions for forces pensioers and disabled


Why dosen't some pathetic scrote from the goverment just stand up and say " look we all knew it was bullsh1t but Blair Campbell and Mandleson made us toe the line and shut up about it"

Hang the fukcer out to dry
 
#10
the_boy_syrup said:
A Source said:
One described the supply chain as “absolutely appalling”, saying: “I know for a fact that there was one container full of skis in the desert.”
.
That just proves how good the intelligence was
Baghdad dry ski slope opened 08:00 - 17:00 Mon - Fri and 08:00 - 20:00 Sat - Sun consessions for forces pensioers and disabled
I think it shows excellent foresight and preparation - I would be more worried if there wasn't a container full of skis in the desert.
 
#11
From what I understand unless you were in 16 Air Assualt or 3 Commando Brigade you had bugger all in the way of kit or ammo. I know guys who went over the border with only 12 rounds for their rifle!
 
#13
the_boy_syrup said:
A Source said:
One described the supply chain as “absolutely appalling”, saying: “I know for a fact that there was one container full of skis in the desert.”
.
That just proves how good the intelligence was
Baghdad dry ski slope opened 08:00 - 17:00 Mon - Fri and 08:00 - 20:00 Sat - Sun concessions for forces pensioners and disabled


Why doesn't some pathetic scrote from the government just stand up and say " look we all knew it was bullsh1t but Blair Campbell and Mandelson made us toe the line and shut up about it"

Hang the fukcer out to dry
Apropos the container full of skis in the desert...

No doubt some chinless twat, probably Mandelson, will try and spin this as "we knew it was going to be a long commitment for our forces in Iraq, perhaps even to the stage where climate change affected the area and Iraq became more Alpine in its climate... and we wanted to be prepared for every eventuality... hence the skis..."
 
#14
jonwilly said:
I remember 'Flash' telling me on the Aviation Board that they where each issued only 8 rounds for the 9 mill Browning when going out on ops.
john
I had 2 rounds of 9mm for my pistol while carring out convoy escort duties between Kuwait City International Airport and Camp Eagle.

Luckily that was before the invasion.

However, after the war fighting had finished, delivering soft skinned Landrovers to Basrah Airport, between 12 of us, we had no body armour and 10 rounds for one weapon as we drove back to Kuwait.

Fuck me we were lucky
 
#15
I love the fact that Mike Jackson insisted we were ready for war. But, rather than have some backbone and say "no, we need some more time to prep" he knowingly sent blokes in with minimal ammunition and body armour. What a joke. He was more interested in his pension and honours than his troops lives. I would say he is as guilty as the politicians for the death of Sgt Steven Roberts. Is corporate manslaughter retrospective?
 
#17
Send Chilcot a message on the Inquiry website.

The leak backs up the widespread anecdotes of kit shortages and underlines the tragic failings repeatedly identified at inquests.

I sent Chilcot a submission a few weeks ago detailing the war planning operation (wasn't called Telic then!) which took place in my neck of the woods from Sep 02 onwards at the latest, plus UOR failings.

No black Omega outside my house...yet! :D

They will need as many submissions as possible from the grass-roots to counter the inevitable spin, and to provide the impetus for following the evidence to the conclusion.

Don't expect Blair, Hoon*, Campbell to end up in the dock, but there is a reasonable expectation that they will be severely criticised and suffer terminal reputational damage. Hence Blair's pitch for the El Presidente job.


* There is maybe a chance Hoon may well end up in the dock over equipment failings and deaths.
 
#19
But at least it wasn’t all bad news

The report adds that the highest mortality rate among the “participants” in the war zone was not that of soldiers but journalists.
 
#20
Britain's preparedness for war? is this not what always happens? I know from GW1 and Im sure further back from the Falklands, TA equipment was handed over to units deploying so they could upscale. The TA was a usefull pool of material resources. However due to government mismangement and utter disregard for unknown eventualities we don't even have that anymore. I can imagine a call going out for TA transport only to have delivered, a few LDV minibuses, a 4 Tonner with half its canvas cover and a Lanny 110 that actually belongs to Dave.
 

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