UK rebate unjustified - Chirac

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4374505.stm

UK rebate 'unjustified' - Chirac

Mr Chirac: Attacked UK rebate
French president Jacques Chirac has called the UK's £3bn rebate from the European Union "unjustified".
Speaking after a summit meeting he said unless it was put up for discussion the EU would never be able to reach agreement on its medium term finances.

Earlier Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the UK was prepared to veto any bid to reduce the rebate secured by Margaret Thatcher in 1984.

He said it remained justified because less EU farm money came to the UK.

Mr Chirac told reporters in Brussels: "One can only have a reasonable budgetary balance if we put back on the table the British cheque. It can no longer be justified. It was from the past."

But a UK Government official responded: "Even with the rebate, the UK pays two and a half times more than France contributes to the EU budget. Without it we would pay 14 times as much as France.

"There can be no deal on future financing which does not protect the rebate."

It is extraordinary to do it at this time, just as we are becoming the biggest contributor to the EU

UKIP's Roger Knapmane


Brussels talks
The 25-member EU is gearing up for tough negotiations on its budget plans for the period 2007-2013, with the bloc's Luxembourg presidency hoping to strike a deal at a June summit.

Earlier Conservative Graham Brady said the rebate was a "crucial test" of how firmly ministers were prepared to stand up for Britain.

EU Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso has indicated he wants the rebate to come to an end.

Mr Straw said that as well as the veto over the rebate the UK wanted to keep a tight rein on national contributions.

'Crucial test'

The UK, France, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Sweden want the EU budget to be capped at 1% of member states' combined national incomes - the European Commission has urged an increase to 1.26%.

Mr Straw has said the EU commission's proposal would mean a 35% hike in the budget.

Shadow Europe minister Mr Brady said: "I believe it is essential that Britain keeps the rebate and I think it's a crucial test of how firmly the British government is prepared to stand up for Britain internationally in Europe.

European countries overall have benefited hugely from the free market in goods

Jack Straw


Q&A UK rebate
"The UK is already one of the biggest net contributors to the EU ."

The foreign secretary meanwhile said the "justice" of the rebate remained.

"We have one of the lowest net receipts of any EU country because of the relatively small size of our agriculture sector and its efficiency.

"That continues to be the case."

EU services sector

UK Independence Party leader Roger Knapman said the rebate was "set in stone" and there was no reason to negotiate about it.

"It is extraordinary to do it at this time, just as we are becoming the biggest contributor to the EU. If we lose our rebate as well, the British taxpayer is going to be bled at such a rate that I think everyone will go off the European project."

EU leaders are holding talks in Brussels on how to re-energise the sluggish European economy.

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair is meeting his EU counterparts to finalise a package of measures aimed at stimulating growth and boosting employment ahead of a series of referendums on the European Constitution.

The plans could introduce a free market into everything from computer services to construction.

Critics - including Germany and France - believe liberalisation could result in companies shifting staff to cheaper bases in Eastern Europe, undercutting large EU economies and undermining social protections.

There are also concerns about the number of workers from eastern European countries who will head west, exacerbating the already high unemployment levels in Germany.

Anxiety

Mr Straw insisted there was nothing to fear from the services directorate.

"European countries overall have benefited hugely from the free market in goods," he said.

"What we are now talking about is developing that market into an internal market in services."

Britain's low unemployment meant there was less "neurosis" about people coming from eastern European countries.

"In countries like Germany and France, where frankly because of a tighter social market they have much higher levels of unemployment, there is increasing anxiety about other people coming in," he said.
And I say feck you Mr Chirac
 
#2
But a UK Government official responded: "Even with the rebate, the UK pays two and a half times more than France contributes to the EU budget. Without it we would pay 14 times as much as France.
I think that just about sums it up - two fingers for Chirac :D
 
#3
Well get this guys!

This is THE only time i have ever had a reason to commend Mr Blair for his actions. He told reporters that the UK rebate was off limits and not open to negotiation. Stick it to the frog tony! :twisted:

How long will that last though?
 
#4
luke said:
But a UK Government official responded: "Even with the rebate, the UK pays two and a half times more than France contributes to the EU budget. Without it we would pay 14 times as much as France.
I think that just about sums it up - two fingers for Chirac :D
Lets wait and see if Tony doesn't sell us out first :roll:
 
#5
luke said:
But a UK Government official responded: "Even with the rebate, the UK pays two and a half times more than France contributes to the EU budget. Without it we would pay 14 times as much as France.
I think that just about sums it up - two fingers for Chirac :D
Well said fcuk off you cheese eating surrender monkey

What France and Germany couldn't win in war they are trying to get through lefty polititons
 
#6
Never thought that we would end up paying through the nose for Europe and ending up with the vile Hun and the cowardly Frogs running the show.

That one has caught us all out and what a right bunch of (straight) bananas (only sold in metric units) we all feel. The little man in the street will be shocked that it turns out that Europe is a big waste of time and money after he was so in favour of installing this extra layer of expensive bureaucracy to run the country.

Or could it be that as we knew all along, Jonny Foreigner would always try to lower our pantaloons and fedrally screw us up the arrse?
 
#7
IdleAdjt said:
Or could it be that as we knew all along, Jonny Foreigner would always try to lower our pantaloons and fedrally screw us up the arrse?
No it was the Conservatives followed by New Liabour that screwed us up the arrse by selling us out to them t@ssers :evil:
 
#8
dui-lai,

It is Jonny Foreigner who has screwed us up the arrse, successive governments have mearly pimped us out for f*ck all in return.
 
#9
IdleAdjt said:
dui-lai,

It is Jonny Foreigner who has screwed us up the arrse, successive governments have mearly pimped us out for f*ck all in return.
True IA, but its our governments I detest more as Johnny was doing what we should have done to him
 
#10
Oh granted, we have danced around the issue of Europe for so long because none of the major parties are prepared to risk losing votes by saying a final "NO" to the whole misadventure, that what we have done is create a hotch-potch system in which we have been f*cked by countries with a more joined up approach.

We must decide, either fully in or fully out. I personally would not like to get too pally with any of our European neighbour (Scandi women excepted) and believe that we should jump ship before we end up too deeply embroilled.

We shouldn't blane Jonny Foreigner for f*cking us, it is in their nature, but it doesn't mean that we should let them off with it.
 
#11
God bless Maggie for demanding the Rebate.

It's expensive enough for us anyway and has been an albatross around our necks for the past 20 years. Britain, by and large isn't an agricultural nation so we can't claim the goodies. While every Belgium farmer drives a new Mercedes (They really do 8O ), we just keep on footing the bills.

European farmers are first paid to produce food. Then when there is too much food, the EU says "Okay, we'll still pay you, just don't produce any more." (Mustn't upset them, they burn roads and block sheep. Or something). So now the farmers are being paid loads to twiddle thumbs and look out of the farmhouse window at....lots of nice big empty fields. So, what do they do? Yep, produce the food anyway, but this time they sell it on the quiet. Who pays for this pantomine? The British taxpayer. It used to be the Germans too but their economy is floundering and they've tightened the purse strings. (We also have to pay for the satellites that try and spot the cheats from space by monitoring the colours of the fields, how much must THAT cost?.)


To add insult to injury, the countries that enjoy all this are only too keen to make the Club as big as possible and invite any half-arrsed former soviet satellite to the party. Why shouldn't they, it's not their money.


Just imagine how much this farce would have cost us WITHOUT the rebate. We'd be well fcuked.
 
#12
they are trying to get through lefty polititons
Chirac is a lefty? 8O

Well who knew?
 
#13
Chirac is an ARRSE-wipe of the highest order.

I don't agree with praising BLiar just because he told the snotgobbling frog to push off. That is the minimum accepted response. If it had been Maggie she would have threatened old dicck-splash to get back in his box or she would deploy the first 15 from Wales to go over and dish out further lessons in kicking French arrse. Further esculations upto and including nuclear exchange would go without saying.
 
#14
"What France and Germany couldn't win in war they are trying to get through lefty polititons"

Maybe not 100% acurate but I agree with the sentiment.
I consider the Farming policy with it's unjustifiable handout to be at the core of euroland problems.
Ya Frog and the Kraut who do well out of it will defend it till the last, Belgian ?.
Three cheers for Maggei, the Greatest English man of the 20th Century.
john
 

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LE
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#15
Agent_Smith said:
Well get this guys!

This is THE only time i have ever had a reason to commend Mr Blair for his actions. He told reporters that the UK rebate was off limits and not open to negotiation. Stick it to the frog tony! :twisted:

How long will that last though?
Until after the election ?

(Regardless of whether he wins or loses.)
 
#16
This is lifted from the front page of The Daily Telegraph.

Speaking shortly before Mr Chirac’s outburst, Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, promised to support Britain’s “absolute veto” to protect the rebate.

While that is the “Official” line, Mr Blair is keen to strike a deal on the rebate at a Brussels summit in June even it involves compromise .

He wants the issue to be dealt with quietly behind the scenes, with a decision reached shortly AFTER the election expected on May 5th. Sources say that this would avoid the rebate issue becoming a divisive issue between the Yes and No camps during the British referendum on the constitution.
JJ
 
#17
What did I say. What did I say. BLiar has surrender monkey blood in his veins. DNA test him and Chirac I'm sure they're related.

If nothing else it is certainly worth spreading this propaganda throughout the election as it will certainly harden support against him.
 

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LE
Moderator
#18
Time for a "shut the Feck up froggy" poll?
 
#19
Just off to the Job Centre to see if they have any vaccancies ofr farmers in France or Belgium. Think I could handle the idea of sitting on my arrse all day and letting you all pay me for the plivilage. At least I wouldn't have to wear this camo clothing to do feck all.
 
#20
T0sser also said that the SDpams and us were responsible for lots of third world deaths because of our foreign policies. So farmers unable to compete with subsidised goods from Europe because of the CAP has got nothing to do with it then?
 

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