UK politics riven with Anti-Americanism and Anti-Semitism

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... :(
 
#5
British politics is riven with anti-semetism?

A recent leader of the opposition was Jewish, so is the shadow chancellor, the former Labour Foreign Secretary is as well , Oona was an MP and is Black and Jewish, Evan Harris Lib Dem etc etc.

I didn't hear the Prime Minister criticise Israel over Lebanon , nor over the recent incursions of Lebanese airspace in defiance of the ceasefire.

Criticism of the latest incursions into Gaza? Nope. In fact if anything , this Government bends over backwards to accomodate Israel.

Who writes this garbage?

Oh, Melanie Phillips. :roll:

More from the poisoned word processor here

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=294

I guess some of the comments in reply on the blog won't make her happy either.
 
#6
We've heard the same about French politics from the same type of sources for years and then we end up with at least three jews in the race for presidency....

-Fabius
-Strauss Kahn
-Sarkozy

Considering jews are making up about 1% of the French population, that's not bad innit ?
 
#7
By Melanie Phillips- you mean that fcuking hack from the Daily Mail that cannot separate stated Israeli policy from the Talmud or the Torah?

Give me a fcuking break.

(Sorry, early knock-off today. LASHCON 1 was set 11 hours ago.)
 
#8
What a load of sh!t. Once again, everyone who questions U.S. policy on Israel is a neo-Nazi. :roll:

I might add that Americans have yet to elect a Jewish head of state (although there is no shortage of Jewish Americans in politics) whereas Benjamin Disraeli became Prime Minister in 1868. Yes, he was raised Anglican, but real anti-Semites probably wouldn't make those distinctions, and I understand that he himself identifed as culturally Jewish.

crabtastic said:
(Sorry, early knock-off today. LASHCON 1 was set 11 hours ago.)
Well, when you hit bottom, Canter's Deli is open all night. :D
 
#9
This sort of hysterical ranting says more about the deep seated uncertainty and fear felt by those backing current US/Israeli policy than it does about the UK. It highlights the polarisation of US politics that we now see. It also reflects a deeply arrogant, deeply stupid attitude towards the only country to really support the US in its foreign policy.

After all, three years ago it all seemed so successful. Saddam was gone, democracy on the way and so on ... yet now the dream has shattered. Iraq is a bloody mess, and no matter how many Lebanese, Hizb'Allah, or Palestinians the Israelis kill they are still no safer. Iran, NK, the bomb ... it's all falling apart.
 
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How about the last comment by Faith:

I was going to let my daughter go see London upon graduating hs--not now. I wouldnt let her near a jelly liver lot of brits and their muslim overlords. Way to toss a great heritage in a few short years. Tony Blair should consider retiring here.
Just about proves the small-minded and ignorant attitude of so many. Does Faith have any understanding of the real world beyond 'little america'?

Show how manipulated many are, and how easy it is to manipulate still further...
 
#12
Melanie Phillips used to make me angry. Nowadays she just makes me depressed, as more and more people seem to express similar views.

I think I'll go and lie down for a bit... :cry:
 
#13
Schools, for example, no longer teach the history or values of the British nation on the grounds that national identity based on a majority culture is viewed as "racist." Instead, they promote multiculturalism, the doctrine that minority value must have equal status to those of the majority.
I absolutely agree that the doctrine of multiculturalism is promoted (and not only in the UK) too enthusiastically. British national identity, traditional values, customs, style of life should be on the first place anyway. As for customs, interests, culture of the minorities such as Arabs, Pakistanians, Indians, Jews... oooooops... it would be an anti-Semitism again, so I revoke my proposition.

It is a very hard task to please such a dame as ms. Phillips. Whatever you do it would be regarded as anti-Semitism.
 
#14
The disturbing fact is that Britain is consumed by a rampant anti-Americanism and an allied hostility toward Israel, which are driving public debate into irrationality, prejudice and appeasement.
It's less Anti-Americanism, as Anti-Right-Wing-Extremist-Americanism. We can learn a lot from America's clear thinking on its protectionism of its 'national-values'. As Britain is mired in a malaise of its own making on what constitutes 'British values' the Americans are far less muddle headed.

The Oxbridge elite that led Empire's expansion in far flung foreign fields served us well, but their ilk in the 50s and 60s created a confused sense of identity which has left us flapping around for a rudder in the dark. It's this bit that America is rightly contemptuous of.

The Achilles Heel for America is that they're at the height of their Empire and so consumed by their own righteousness they've let their Right Wing go off the scale. They struggle to debate without frothing at the mouth which means people just ignore them. Which they take as Anti-Americanism?
 

RP578

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#15
AndyPipkin,

Why do you habitually equate dislike and/or disapproval of the current US Govt.'s policies with 'anti-Amercanism'? Americans and their culture are well received and admired throughout the world regardless of what people think of Pres. Bush et al.

Should I think Tony Blair a moron and his policies as abhorent, would that make me anti-British?
 
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Why is it that the US expects us to follow their foreign policy unquestioningly? Just because they helped us in WW2 they seem to have no respect for our Sovereign right to govern ourselves. But I suppose the US doesn't have respect for the sovereignty of other countries. We are a sovereign state, not the 51st state of the US of A. The US foreign policy suits the US and the US alone. If Tony would pull his face out of George Dubya's arrse long enough to see that he has to sort his own house out before bothering with anybody elses. We have enough problems at home.

The US policies are driven by arrogance. Just look at the way that Dubya addresses our Prime Minister: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5188258.stm

As for Melanie Phillips, she needs to get a new definition of Anti-Semitism. To state that Israel should be wiped of the face of the Earth, a la President Armadinejad, is Anti-Semitic. To herd 3 million jews into Gas chambers is anti-semitic. To critisise Israel's human rights record in respect to the Palestinians, is not anti-semitism. To state that Israel has breached UN sanctions and has 60 UN resolutions against them, is not Anti-semitism, to state that America should not be supporting Israel is not anti-semitic, it is critisism of US policy.

Unfortunately she is one of these small minded people whose only recourse to win a debate is to accuse their opponent of Anti-semitism, racism or sexism. This is because these terms have now become akin to Nazism, people are cowed into having to be overly PC.

She states in her blog that there have been increased attacks on Jews and synagogue. Why is this? The reason is that the youth of today are sick of being denigrated for celebrating their culture. Unfortunately we are told to celebrate multiculturalism, but as soon as a British person tries to celebrate their own nationality they are slapped down for being neo-nazis. Well, I and proud to state that I am a white, English, pork-eating, alcohol consuming, christian patriotic squaddie. I will stand in respect for the National Anthem, and, if the local council would allow, would fly the Union Flag on my property to show this. I would even fly the St George's Cross on St George's Day. Unfortunately, there is the perception that anybody who does this is a nationalistic bigot.

Personally I am sick of it. I think when I get out, I am going to emmigrate to somewhere anybody who is overtly PC is put up against the wall and shot! (Just Kidding)

Rant Over.
 
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RP578 said:
AndyPipkin,

Why do you habitually equate dislike and/or disapproval of the current US Govt.'s policies with 'anti-Amercanism'? Americans and their culture are well received and admired throughout the world regardless of what people think of Pres. Bush et al.
Er, I didn't write the article, I merely posted it here as a topic for debate. I'm gathering that the general consensus doesn't support the article :)

Should I think Tony Blair a moron and his policies as abhorent, would that make me anti-British?
No it would make you a very typical arrse poster! 8)
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
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AndyPipkin said:
RP578 said:
AndyPipkin,

Why do you habitually equate dislike and/or disapproval of the current US Govt.'s policies with 'anti-Amercanism'? Americans and their culture are well received and admired throughout the world regardless of what people think of Pres. Bush et al.
Er, I didn't write the article, I merely posted it here as a topic for debate.
Seen & acknowledged, but you do seem to obsess about yank-bashing/"post-imperial-penis-envy". With repect mate, I think you're tilting at windmills.
 

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