UK PLC......... Giving away our money once again

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Weird. Al Megrahi spent 8 years trying to get back to Libya, this bloke gets a free trip and wants paying for it. Granted the government wasn't to his liking, but we provided a bit of assistance in accommodating his wishes.

Beside, he's evidently alive so his soujourn can't have been as bad as he'd anticipated.
 

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Always nice to meet a fan of Tony Blair.

I imagine the electric shock treatment made Mr Al-Saadi's blood boil. Perhaps the evaporation of blood is why he weighed 7 stone when he got out of nick after 5 years of torture. Still, it must have been nice to see his kids again. They were 6, 9, 11 and 12 when they were kidnapped on Chinese sovereign soil and dragged screaming onto a CIA jet.

His crime? He opposed Gadaffi. And during Tony Blair's 'Deal in the Desert' Gaddafi's people asked for him and a few others to be returned for attention. Abdul Belhaj was lifted with his pregnant wife. Head of MI6 counter terrorism (yet clearly not the sharpest tool in the box) sent a creeping fax to Moussa Koussa which was found when Tripoli fell...

“I congratulate you on the safe arrival of [Mr Belhaj]. This was the least we could do for you and for Libya. I know I did not pay for the air cargo [but] the intelligence [on him] was British.”
 
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We are nothing if not inconsistant / selective regarding Human Rights. I imagine the former residents of Diego Garcia read this stuff and wonder why HM Govt and the good ol' US of A don't abide by the court rulings regarding them and their little lump of land.

This particular case seems to warrant putting right.
 
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Since a decision like this must have gone up to Minister level at least. Would now be a good time to suggest to the familiy that they insist on an enquiry to ID who signed off on this..?
Plus the fact that the alleged kidnap was in Hong Kong, surely Chinese territory in 2004! Try getting compo from China :-(
 
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(for nothing more damning than daring to oppose Gadaffi)
As I recall, treason was one of the last UK crimes to have the death penalty lifted.

I don't know the full involvement of MI6 in the incident, the quote says "intelligence" which could mean as extensive as "Here's his address in Hong Kong".

It's alluded that the CIA flew him out of HK and into Tripoli but I find no mention of a similar, much less larger, claim against the US government. Did his lawyers elect for the "soft touch"?
 

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As I recall, treason was one of the last UK crimes to have the death penalty lifted.

I don't know the full involvement of MI6 in the incident, the quote says "intelligence" which could mean as extensive as "Here's his address in Hong Kong".

It's alluded that the CIA flew him out of HK and into Tripoli but I find no mention of a similar, much less larger, claim against the US government. Did his lawyers elect for the "soft touch"?
No. He elected to take the bunce (misquote here but pretty well what he said) "For the benefit of his family" who were decked on Chinese soil and dragged screaming onto a CIA white jet and delivered to Tripoli. Where Dad was tortured for FIVE ****ing YEARS.

This is not some bonkers terrorist. This is a quiet family man who though his homeland might benefit from a little freedom.

I have no problem with my taxes handing him £2.2m. I feel it shows remarkable restraint. If that shit had been pulled on me I would take the money and run. Then engineer a short but interesting conversation with Tony Blair an every other backstairs creepy motherfucker involved in laying hands on my children and torturing me.

And involving Great Britain in the kidnap of children, pregnant birds, betrayal and torture. Because that is kinda not what I pay my ****ing taxes for.

I pay my taxes so men, women, children and pregnant birds can walk the streets in safety.
 
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Just shows how quickly the term 'freedom fighter' can change to 'terrorist' when Uncle Sam decrees it. And then how no-one can be found to blame when politics deems it prudent to change sides.

You'd have thought after all the shit in the 1980's with the USA Vs Libya, that the man would have been feted. I wonder if the Septics got him out of Libya and to HK and then kidnapped him when it suited them to appease Gaddafi - whom they then turned against - again ..........
 
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This is not some bonkers terrorist. This is a quiet family man who though his homeland might benefit from a little freedom.
I don't know the bloke, so I've only got info gleaned from the web to go on, but...


The scion of a wealthy religious family, Saadi dropped out of college in 1988 to wage jihad, heeding an influential Sunni theologian's call to Muslims to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. Saadi said he first went to Saudi Arabia and then to Pakistan along with scores of Libyan fighters. He made his way to Afghanistan, where he met bin Laden at a training camp and was impressed by his "devoutness."
After the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan, Saadi helped found the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. The group's goal: to overthrow Gaddafi and turn Libya into an Islamic state. By the late 1990s, the militia had staged dozens of attacks in Libya, including three assassination attempts on Gaddafi.
"There was no way but to face the regime with force," Saadi recalled thinking, a faint smile emerging on his face, haggard and gray from years in prison.
The group thrived under Taliban rule and forged close ties to the radical regime's leaders. But it was divided on al-Qaeda. In several meetings before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, bin Laden urged the Libyan fighters to join him in confronting the West, especially the United States, Saadi and two other senior leaders said in their first extensive interviews with a journalist since their release from prison in March.

Former militants now wage battle within Libya to discredit al-Qaeda
 

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I don't know the bloke, so I've only got info gleaned from the web to go on, but...
Former militants now wage battle within Libya to discredit al-Qaeda
The Washington Post. A lovely newspaper and only a 30 minute hop to Fairfax, VA on Route 66.

Look, I really couldn't give a **** if the boy was found over the corpse of Mother Theresa with a smoking AK47 in one hand and his dick in the other.

I have no problem with X-Box drones vapourising some ****** who wants to vapourise me. Bad things happen and there it is.

But when we, that is The Brits are creeping about providing info for a bunch of gung-ho Septics to batter a man and his wife and kids into prison in a third world shithole, for the sake of a few quid for BP?

Nah.
 
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Fair play to the other claimant who has refused the money and is suing Jack Straw personally.

He deserves a pint and a handshake.
 

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No. He elected to take the bunce (misquote here but pretty well what he said) "For the benefit of his family" who were decked on Chinese soil and dragged screaming onto a CIA white jet and delivered to Tripoli. Where Dad was tortured for FIVE ****ing YEARS.

This is not some bonkers terrorist. This is a quiet family man who though his homeland might benefit from a little freedom.

I have no problem with my taxes handing him £2.2m. I feel it shows remarkable restraint. If that shit had been pulled on me I would take the money and run. Then engineer a short but interesting conversation with Tony Blair an every other backstairs creepy motherfucker involved in laying hands on my children and torturing me.

And involving Great Britain in the kidnap of children, pregnant birds, betrayal and torture. Because that is kinda not what I pay my ****ing taxes for.

I pay my taxes so men, women, children and pregnant birds can walk the streets in safety.
Sir Duke

I totally agree with you. We really cannot go on about Al Qatada when under Blair's government we were actually complicit in torture to someone else. I know that no country is whiter than white, but Blair's government was benter than bent. I too pay my taxes to live in a country which is often way ahead of the rest of the world in judiciary, even if sometimes it is a little galling.
 
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'Deserving' and 'getting' may be two totally unrelated words in this case. You might see some minor politician go to prison for some everyday fiddling but on the big issues there's seems to be some sort of immunity that works internationally. Look at BLiar ; lying, taking us into an illegal war against the majorities' wishes ....... still might end up as Boss of Europe .....

The bigger the offence, the higher you'll rise. This might be the springboard to superstardom that Jack Straw needs ......
 
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