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UK military to get biggest spending boost in 30 years

Slime

LE
your own private CAS force - in handy little boxes in the back of a truck

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and what does a proper fast jet costing $150 million bring to the party , when this little scamp can deliver a couple of cruise missiles too?
(and yes, those are air to air missiles)

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My goodness you’ve cracked it, that CAS force is awesome.............

Just what you need to conduct a 30mm strafing run, or to drop a couple of five hundred pounders............

Whats that you say, they can’t actually do the CAS job?

Surely you are just posting pics for laughs now?
You certainly aren’t being serious.
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
How does that prop UAV deal with say an F-35 that has detected it and smoked it before the man with joystick in the truck even knows its there?

It swarms the F-35 using information dominance across the cognitive domain to leverage its synergies into getting inside the adversary's OODA loop, of course.

Don't ask silly questions that challenge the One True Faith.
 
Speed, agility, altitude, payload, sensors, defensive aides, autonomy of action?

all a Typhoon flying from Sicily to a point off the Libyan coast was doing was acting as a missile carrier.
Speed, agility etc don’t come into it, it’s just carrying two stand off missiles to a launch point way outside the enemies defences.
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
all a Typhoon flying from Sicily to a point off the Libyan coast was doing was acting as a missile carrier.
Speed, agility etc don’t come into it, it’s just carrying two stand off missiles to a launch point way outside the enemies defences.

As opposed to putting drones, control station, operator, et al within 500m of the enemy target?

Yes, I can see the drone solution is much safer and easier.
 
How does that prop UAV deal with say an F-35 that has detected it and smoked it before the man with joystick in the truck even knows its there?

I see, so we are now tying up our tiny number of $150 million F-35’s hunting down $10 million UAVs.

What with Air superiority, SEAD, DEAD, CAS, long range precision strike, ISTAR.... never mind 3 shredded wheat, these F-35 pilots are going to need a whole box to cover all those bases!

The RAF! Everywhere! everytime! anytime!
 

Slime

LE
As opposed to putting drones, control station, operator, et al within 500m of the enemy target?

Yes, I can see the drone solution is much safer and easier.

This has turned into a ‘comedy hour’.

I’m just shocked that a long term friend who is currently an F35 pilot with multi type front line experience doesn’t know as much about modern air warfare as a desk bound non pilot poster in this thread.
 
Perhaps someone could remind me why the USAF is integrating proper Air to air missiles on. It’s MQ-9 Reapers?
 
all a Typhoon flying from Sicily to a point off the Libyan coast was doing was acting as a missile carrier.
Speed, agility etc don’t come into it, it’s just carrying two stand off missiles to a launch point way outside the enemies defences.
If that’s all you want then you don’t need the cost and restrictions associated with drones.
If you want to carry a strike into defended airspace the you’ll want the additional capability provided by a fast jet, but you can still do the missile carrier bit.

Perhaps someone could remind me why the USAF is integrating proper Air to air missiles on. It’s MQ-9 Reapers?
Probably to dissuade someone wandering up to them with a Cessna and knocking them out of the air with a cricket bat.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Protecting fixed airbases from drone strikes?

Anyone?

How are these supreme knights of the azure skies meant to be so dashedly effective when they can't even get off the taxiway?
 
Protecting fixed airbases from drone strikes?

Anyone?

How are these supreme knights of the azure skies meant to be so dashedly effective when they can't even get off the taxiway?
Site the airbases out of range of the drones?
 

Slime

LE
Perhaps someone could remind me why the USAF is integrating proper Air to air missiles on. It’s MQ-9 Reapers?

If you don’t understand the USAF concept* then you might want to question whether you understand the other bold statements you have made. :)

*There is a huge difference in the tactics and resources of the worlds most advanced and network enabled air force than the rag tag forces you have been praising.
 

Slime

LE
Protecting fixed airbases from drone strikes?

Anyone?

How are these supreme knights of the azure skies meant to be so dashedly effective when they can't even get off the taxiway?

An interesting question.
When was the last time a modern air force couldn’t get aircraft off the taxiway?

UAVs have been around for a very long time now, and yet even tiny air forces like the RAF have managed to launch aircraft like the Tornado on constant ops for more than a decade.

Similarly the Americans, French and Russians haven’t had issues in theatres featuring UAV activity.

Oh, and as the real kicker, as UAVs often use the exact same runways, how would the UAVs launch if the runway was out of use?
 
As we are heading into a grand solar minimum I suspect the supposed overpopulation issue will.... ahem... work itself out. If, that is, you accept it is a problem at all.

Meanwhile though those promoting fast jets as the answer to drones are going to have to explain how you secure an airbase from drone attack. More than likely a squadron of fast jets on a fixed airbase is just a couple billion $s worth of ripe targets.

Regardless of current effectiveness whilst airbourne the strategic economics of mass production of drones versus aircraft which need several years of pilot training to operate are pretty obvious. And that before you consider the hundreds of skilled ground trades required for the latter.

So too those promoting the idea that EW and the like is enough to protect a force from drones, or drone directed artillery. Even were that true everyone who has worn green knows how often these things break down. Last time I looked Russia put more effort into EW than anyone else, and they appear to have lost confidence in both their local air defence systems and some of their EW kit.

Still, if we did have to go to war tomorrow it is pretty clear that our forces would be woefully unprepared for such new fangled techology which we shunned 8 years ago.

But the good news is that no-one will be responsible.

Maybe something like this might be a worthy acquisition, as well as THAAD.
 
Protecting fixed airbases from drone strikes?

Anyone?

How are these supreme knights of the azure skies meant to be so dashedly effective when they can't even get off the taxiway?
Already posted but since you and PhotEx dude appear to be blind....

 
An interesting question.
When was the last time a modern air force couldn’t get aircraft off the taxiway?
1991

Although its still disputed as to whether the mig was wheels up when it succsesfiully intercepted a JP233's Bomblets
 
1991

Although its still disputed as to whether the mig was wheels up when it succsesfiully intercepted a JP233's Bomblets
They did get aircraft airborne, see Scott Speicher who was a cas first night of ops. JP did it's job though, which was to shut down ops from targeted a/f for a limited period.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
An interesting question.
When was the last time a modern air force couldn’t get aircraft off the taxiway?

UAVs have been around for a very long time now, and yet even tiny air forces like the RAF have managed to launch aircraft like the Tornado on constant ops for more than a decade.

Similarly the Americans, French and Russians haven’t had issues in theatres featuring UAV activity.

Oh, and as the real kicker, as UAVs often use the exact same runways, how would the UAVs launch if the runway was out of use?

Ok the UAVs launch from the back of a truck, ISO container, ship or Volvo V70... Though we will exclude shopping trolleys. They don't need a runway.

Let's say they loiter out of visual range or above cloud cover and listen out for the distinctive whine of a jet engine, then glide in on the 'worth their weight in gold' fighter..

How are you going to defend against them?
 

Cruthin1967

Old-Salt
Sweden have just begun a serious upgrade
- mechanized infantry
- updated artillery
- small, fast, litoral ships
- aircraft than can jam / fight intruders

Looks like a sensible plan to keep Ivan from invading. Winter War 2.0 if you like. I would suggest NATO might think of something similar - plus a job lot of stealthy loitering munitions.
 
Was that Mig taking off or landing when it was destroyed?
The only credited a/a kill with a bomb is for a F-15E which hit a MI-24
 

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