UK Libertarian Party

#1
Has anyone come across this bunch before:

UK Libertarian Party

"Personal Income Tax to be abolished in second financial year of a Libertarian government. "

Gets my vote

"Armed Forces
Our national stance will be one of armed neutrality.
We expect to support the Armed Services, their families and veterans. Reservist and Cadet wings are also seen as vital components of a sustainable, professional force.
We are committed to undertake a proper review of our genuine defence needs, based upon the reality of the threats that our nation faces today, rather than the position that we were in during the cold war; this review to include analysis of presumptions regarding safe international sea trade.
All defence procurement decisions to be made on pragmatic rather than jingoist grounds.
Our Armed Forces need to be able to make an enemy think twice, so must have the ability to project force rapidly, globally and flexibly in focused ways, e.g. submarines, amphibious assault, Marines, Special Forces.
To protect supply lines and commercial shipping and fisheries from piracy and other interference will require a suitably sized fleet of Corvettes, Frigates and associated support craft.
Maintain membership of NATO while in the National Interest.
Maintain strong ties with non-aggressive Commonwealth countries.
Nuclear deterrent to be made truly independent, retained, maintained and eventually replaced for the foreseeable future. "


Thats it, Im joining!
 
#2
I have had a cursory look at the web-site and couldn't see the names of the principal personalities so it could be a man-size wah or scam to get people in their droves to send in the modest membership fee of £10.

It's one of those things that, ' if it looks too good to be true....' and this certainly does.
 
#4
Check their AGM 2008 on their site - there is at least 5 of them.

Such ideas are easy when you know they will never be tested.

If you are interested read Lysander Spooner:

But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life." And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat.

The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the roadside, and, holding a pistol [*13] to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful.

The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a "protector," and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to "protect" those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful "sovereign," on account of the "protection" he affords you. He does not keep "protecting" you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.

The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves "the government," are directly the opposite of these of the single highwayman.

No Treason No VI sect III.

Spooner
 
#6
Have a look at the writings of L Niel Smith, he is a US libertarian. On the face of it looks alright but could be very painfull in the short term.
 
#7
Will party have military wing where members have to wear a uniform? Will the ladies have to wear a uniform of tight figure-hugging clothing, Fully fashioned stockings and 5inch heels? Where can I join???
 
#8
They're legit
 
#9
No wah and personally I agree with a lot of what these guys are about.

Yes in the short term thing could be very painful for people with a transference to a libertarian way of life.

But then again when was anything worth having easy to get?
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
I joined some time ago - our manifesto is here - http://lpuk.org/pages/manifesto.php

If you're tired of having your tax money thrown away by that snotgobbling idiot who's forced himself upon us, then have a look.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#11
I'm at the point of telling all and sundry who will be asking next year about who I would be voting for the answer will be BNP, after all they get great tennis tournaments sponsorship dont they?
 
#12
A few interesting points, but generally p*ss-poor.

Pluses
I like the idea of disbanding most of the quangos and setting up the bear minimum with more teeth. Most of their ideas on law and order. Out of the EU. Limitations on Lobbyists.

Minuses
It's a blueprint for exploitation and poverty - elimination of the minimum wage, destruction of the NHS (despite the horror of the US insurance based system), a basic non-understanding of the pension system.

I don't see why this comment "locally elected Police Chiefs shall result in the removal of the majority of speed cameras" should be true. There's nothing to stop an area from electing characters like Brunstrom. Also what happens if an area keeps alternating from an anti-speed nut to a more reasonable boss?

I was shocked when i read "Repeal specific legislation about phone use, smoking and so on, and rely on historic laws in regard to vehicle control. Killing as a result of driving a vehicle while incapacitated—for whatever reason", until I read "should be manslaughter, and treated accordingly." then I thought fair-does.
 
#13
ugly said:
I'm at the point of telling all and sundry who will be asking next year about who I would be voting for the answer will be BNP, after all they get great tennis tournaments sponsorship dont they?
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
 
#14
looks interesting but will review it more later

I consider myself a Libertarian, but from the PJ O'Rourke school of thought, where basically the individual is more important than the state (this is opposed to the modern british labour socialist, who are unable to differentiate between the state/people. the concept of the individual is seen as selfish and anti-community/society - it explains why for a socialist, more power to the state is good, as the state represents the people, therefore it is more power for the people, sorry, I digress...)
 
#15
its an ism and none of them taken to an extreme work that well.
communism socalism not brilliant
free markets well that did'nt work to well did it :roll:
liberatarian in peoples private lives but not economically business should try to make money but should be watched loose regualtion leaves to **** ups.
some things can't make money need to do stuff that won't make cash.
 
#16
Although they call themselves the UK Libertarian Party, that title is somewhat misleading. True Libertarianism is the rejection of any form of State or government, in favour of the individual and their right to operate within a true free market. UKLP are more Minarchist/Classical Liberal types, in that they accept a limited State to look after Defence and Foreign Affairs etc., it's just that the name 'UK Minarchist/Classical Liberal Party' isn't quite so catchy.

I'm quite tempted to join, and maybe even stand for them, but I can't get over the feeling that it's just a bunch of disgruntled blokes who meet in a pub and who have a website.

As with many small fringe parties, there are plenty of massive egos to go around and I can't help feeling that they would self-destruct if, at any point, they actually tried to form a coherent political movement, with an agreed set of aims.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#17
brighton hippy said:
its an ism and none of them taken to an extreme work that well.
communism socalism not brilliant
free markets well that did'nt work to well did it :roll:
liberatarian in peoples private lives but not economically business should try to make money but should be watched loose regualtion leaves to * ups.
some things can't make money need to do stuff that won't make cash.
The problem is that true free markets call for no intervention and this hasnt happened, banks should fail, its the market, govt ownership of failing banks isnt free market but big interference of the British leyland era!
Feck them someone would buy our debts for pennies and our mortgages would still run!
Its hard on the savers but then its their money that we mortgage users have borrowed so effectively its guaranteed!
 
#18
rockpile said:
I have had a cursory look at the web-site and couldn't see the names of the principal personalities so it could be a man-size wah or scam to get people in their droves to send in the modest membership fee of £10.

It's one of those things that, ' if it looks too good to be true....' and this certainly does.
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#19
fluffer said:
rockpile said:
I have had a cursory look at the web-site and couldn't see the names of the principal personalities so it could be a man-size wah or scam to get people in their droves to send in the modest membership fee of £10.

It's one of those things that, ' if it looks too good to be true....' and this certainly does.
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Thanks. The 'management' seem to have done some work which makes them highly unsuitable to be politicians. They may even have had to show receipts for their expenses.
 

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