UK Government to pay Basra damages...

#5
"The British government is prepared to pay valid claims for compensation for casualties and material damage in the well-established manner."
Wonder how many benefit cheats there will be.

"Ooh, you tripped over and hurt your leg throwing a petrol bomb at us and now you can't work? Here have three hundred quid."
 
#6
this just sounds like oiling the machine to get a satisfactory agreement for both sides. It's this or have all the iraqis we have trained fighting against us.
 
#7
Alternatively if the Iraqi Prime Minister/government is so keen on us supporting them (vis a vis the little meeting this week) perhaps they could remove the Basra governor and any other rotten apples rather than us appease a corrupt and unfriendly administration...

It will only be thrown back at us later anyway!
 
#8
They've only said that they will pay compensation in principle - not willy nilly. There's also no apology for what happened. This is not as big a deal as it first looks.
 
#10
Recently, Basra province Gov. Gov. Mohammed al-Waili, a Fadila member, has sharply criticized British forces.

On Saturday, al-Waili said British forces are compromising security in the region by conducting raids and arrests without coordinating them with Iraqi security forces.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - British troops in the tense southern city of Basra greatly reduced their presence in the streets Thursday, apparently responding to a provincial governor’s call to sever cooperation until London apologized for storming a police station to free two of its soldiers.
But Basra's governor, Mohammed al-Waili, said the two men were indeed moved from the jail. He said they were placed in the custody of the Mahdi army, the militia of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

"The two British were being kept in a house controlled by militiamen when the rescue operation took place," al-Waili said. "Police who are members of the militia group took them to a nearby house after jail authorities learned the facility was about to be stormed."
No he is not corrupt or anti-British at all is he...
 
#12
At least Menzies Campbell has got his head screwed on properly, and is able to recognise that an offer of compensation is a necessary means to enable the two sides to move forward. This is clearly a fellow who is well up to speed. Well done, Sir.

As for Michael Ancram - what a mong. He is obviously not going to get a nice statement from the Foreign Office like what he is after, so asking such stupid questions only serves to highlight to the rest of us that he clearly doesn't have a clue as to what is involved. He should have kept his mouth shut.
 
#13
Slightly OT - nice to see the BBC spot on again - Ancram has been Shadow Sec of State for Defence for five months, and they appear not to have noticed...

Then again, based on the appalling guff he delivered to the party conference, it's no surprise they assumed someone else must be the Tory spokesman for defence. Sad to say, he pulled off the incredible feat of making TCH look vaguely competent - tried to make political capital out of the VC and one of the MC winners (the Gibralatar Regt chap), repeating their names several times for no obvious reason, before adopting a blunderbuss approach of criticising the obvious without giving any idea of what Tory policy is. For the first five minutes (all I could stand before turning to BBC News 24, which I'd wanted in the first place) he seemed sadly unaware of the fact that TCH isn't the Sec of State any more...
 
#14
Innocent people are dead, injured, and families destroyed - and it looks like the perpetrators are not going to be brought to account. Having in this instance very narrowly avoided a rapid descent into outright chaos, I'm sure the powers that be will be heaving a collective sigh of relief. They've expressed 'regret', as though it was some sort of accident, or somehow out of their control..... how rich!
 
#15
frenchperson said:
Innocent people are dead, injured, and families destroyed - and it looks like the perpetrators are not going to be brought to account. Having in this instance very narrowly avoided a rapid descent into outright chaos, I'm sure the powers that be will be heaving a collective sigh of relief. They've expressed 'regret', as though it was some sort of accident, or somehow out of their control..... how rich!
Qoute your source and in this particular case, produce visual evidence, Frenchy; You'll believe you even have an army (made up of your own Nationals) to defend you. No mass processions, no massive media coup.................no feckin story.........fancy surrendering again? I'll accept the point this time I can't afford the farming subsidies for your entire country.
 
#16
Letterwritingman said:
frenchperson said:
Innocent people are dead, injured, and families destroyed - and it looks like the perpetrators are not going to be brought to account. Having in this instance very narrowly avoided a rapid descent into outright chaos, I'm sure the powers that be will be heaving a collective sigh of relief. They've expressed 'regret', as though it was some sort of accident, or somehow out of their control..... how rich!
Qoute your source and in this particular case, produce visual evidence, Frenchy; You'll believe you even have an army (made up of your own Nationals) to defend you. No mass processions, no massive media coup.................no feckin story.........fancy surrendering again? I'll accept the point this time I can't afford the farming subsidies for your entire country.
Thanks for the off message rant
 
#17
Unbelievable, will Tony now bend over & allow us to fcuk him cause hes done that to every sqauddy thats been & will go in the future.
 
#18
frenchperson said:
Letterwritingman said:
frenchperson said:
Innocent people are dead, injured, and families destroyed - and it looks like the perpetrators are not going to be brought to account. Having in this instance very narrowly avoided a rapid descent into outright chaos, I'm sure the powers that be will be heaving a collective sigh of relief. They've expressed 'regret', as though it was some sort of accident, or somehow out of their control..... how rich!
Qoute your source and in this particular case, produce visual evidence, Frenchy; You'll believe you even have an army (made up of your own Nationals) to defend you. No mass processions, no massive media coup.................no feckin story.........fancy surrendering again? I'll accept the point this time I can't afford the farming subsidies for your entire country.
Thanks for the off message rant
Not at all 'off message'...you inferred that as a direct result of British actions in Basra, in this particular case, "Innocent people are dead, injured, and families destroyed "

Prove it! Theres no end of independant news agencies around the Gulf states etc willing to make money and political capital find one that showed a funeral in accordance with Islamic Tradition ie within 24 hrs that has a proven direct link to actions undertaken by the British Army.

So do you learn English or German as your second language at school?
 
#19
Hellfyyr - I don't think those are examples of 'corruption'. Sure, he is an elected politician and I think he is playing a political game - trying to present an image of the hard man taking on the Brits. Maybe I'm getting obsessed about the nuances of the word but its not quite the same as 'corruption' i.e. taking bribes/kidnapping soldiers in the hope of doing a prisoner exchange. Besides, we can't remove every Iraqi politician who doesn't toe the coalition line. If we are gonna have a gradual handover of power then there will always be Iraqi politicians who disagree with us (in the same way I have no doubt there are countries within the coalition who disagree over some issues - but we don't tell them to go home).

Tricam.
 
#20
Frenchperson - As Letterwritingman said you have no proof any of what you say actually happened i.e. Iraqis getting killed. We've seen no funerals or names of the dead released...

In this and other threads you have implied the 2 soldiers were up to no good but without clearly saying what exactly you think they were doing. I think they were on some valid mission for the good of Iraq - I have no idea if it was surveillance, or an attempt to arrest someone etc. During this mission something happened and rogue elements of the police force captured them. WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WERE DOING? Of course, I suspect you will not answer the question and run off like you did on other threads....

Tricam.
 

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