UK Energy Policy: well on course to go properly tits up

#2
But surely installing two wind turbines after having the locals object to them for ten years more than makes up for closing down power stations.

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#5
Why are the Government in thrall to the idiots who peddle grossly inefficient, and ineffective, 'green energy'?

I presume that, as with Mr Tim Yeo, the answer is - as usual - follow the money.
 
#7
The public's insistence that centrally-generated electricity is the only kind isn't helping much, quite apart from the massive waste involved at the user end.

Nothing serious was done at any level to manage growth in demand: one side shouted "No nukes" and the other "More nukes" while neither showed any real interest in actual energy need rather than convenience or want.

I'm at the stage where I almost believe the only way to make people care about what they waste is to bin energy sector price regulation until people re-establish the habits of thrift, both in their personal and professional lives.
 
#9
The public's insistence that centrally-generated electricity is the only kind isn't helping much, quite apart from the massive waste involved at the user end.

Nothing serious was done at any level to manage growth in demand: one side shouted "No nukes" and the other "More nukes" while neither showed any real interest in actual energy need rather than convenience or want.

I'm at the stage where I almost believe the only way to make people care about what they waste is to bin energy sector price regulation until people re-establish the habits of thrift, both in their personal and professional lives.
Large scale generation of the capacity level we need just can't be done locally. Total electricity consumed in 2008 was 9.85 exajoules, based on demands of around 40Gw, peaking to 60Gw.

We're facing a majaor drama because New labour kept putting the decisions off for 13 years as all the choices were going to be unpopular with someone loud to whinge in public and the ConLimp abortation has f**ked around with policies that look pretty and right on but screw over the public and feather the nests of business types clever enough to con Student level morons who are supposedly in charge.
 
#10
We had a smart meter back in the early 70's. Two of them actually;

My Dad shouting "turn that bloody light off/heating down/immersion heater off", every hour,
The meter running out and finding we had no shillings for it.

Seemed to work quite well
 
#11
Large scale generation of the capacity level we need just can't be done locally. Total electricity consumed in 2008 was 9.85 exajoules, based on demands of around 40Gw, peaking to 60Gw.
Never said it could be. The fact remains that small-scale local and household systems reduce demand on CG supplies and consequently the total wastage in transmission; while also providing some resilience when central supplies fail.

The political failure, I'll grant with the caveat that political parties courting popularity don't push through measures that make them unpopular unless they've no choice or there's a big win in it elsewhere for them. When voters would rather leave their entertainment electronics on standby overnight or cut about their gaffes in shorts during winter than have a sensible energy policy then that's what governments will deliver right up to the point the wheels come off.
 
#13
I'll give her credit for trying, but we've caught up on some of the shortfall by doing pointless office jobs that involve 50 mile commutes twice daily. Schools are also doing their bit leaving the lights permanently on because the curtains are drawn to stop the armies of paedos peeking in while they watch old Blackadder 'n Roots episodes on lcd projectors to lern their herstory.
 
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#16
But surely installing two wind turbines after having the locals object to them for ten years more than makes up for closing down power stations.
If you're getting all the subsidies and double the usual electricity buy-back rates, yes - of course it does!
 
#17
"UK Energy Policy: well on course to go properly tits up "

I read that as "UK Energy Police". Which reminded me of a run in I had with this fine body of men and women.They've come on from the original rabble I remember.
Civil Nuclear Constabulary

I apologise for the thread drift.
 
#19
Well settle down. If you are dealing with fluorescents how much does it cost to switch them on and strike them up ? The initial surge currents each time they are switched back on. How much does it cost to wire in a switch line and a switch ? How much is saved by avoiding surge currents, leaving them on 24/7 and halving the maintenance and initial installation costs ? So they are wired off their lighting loop no switches or switch lines and "Switched" if necessary direct from the dist board. I think it is a long established USA idea.

I recall at a Panasonic factory in Cardiff watching the Welsh workforce religiously switch off the lights when going off for tea breaks. We asked a Jap engineer why he didn't stop them as they were costing his company money.

He explained that a Welsh worker had suggested it in the suggestion scheme and the Japs took up the idea as they thought it was good discipline for the screwdriver economy Taff battery chicken workers to show their commitment to the Japanese employer. Worth the extra electric bill.

Then the Jap said "They are after all just Taffs. Smash ? Plimitive. They peel them with their metal knives ha ha ha".

So sabotage consistent with Stage 3 OIRA Garland terrorist plan exploiting surge demands and fluorescent generated harmonics to selectively trigger sabotage circuitry to cause generator failure in emergencies ?? mmmmmmm Yet ACAB feels Kent Special Branch Intelligence analyst ability was up to the job ?

"Wot no switches guv wot's dat all abaht den. Suffink wrong dere for certin"

"I fink da guy is on abaht a restaurant guv called LaPlace. He could be gonna meet a couple of foring geezers Routh Herwitch and Nigh Quest or suffink and another fecker called Four Ears wots dat abaht"
 
#20
Thank Goodness Maggie had the foresight to reduce demand by killing off manufacturing industry.
BB, the unions killed off manufacturing, note that profitable business still runs, it was the unions who put too many demands on companies, Maggie ( peace be upon her) just didn't give in to their demands, but even if she did companies still would have closed through union pressure to work/ produce less and get paid more, that equation never works in business

I am sure it's Maggies fault that you were not well educated!
 

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