UK DOES NOT have access to F35 source code

#21
If the story is genuine which is a 99% chance HMGOV will probably just bend over and take it, probably £3bn chucked away on the JCA project already then and the carriers will need to be fitted with cats and traps(although theres a high chance of that happening anyway), then theres intergration of ASRAAM, Harpoon? ALARM? the RAF will jump up and down because they wont get anything in place of 1 & 4 squadrons Harriers
 
#23
ALARM is going out of the window, ASRAAM is essentially the same interface as 9X. We will have problems with integrating Brimstone, and will the USA allow us to integrate METEOR, which will outrange any AMRAAM variant, so giving more capability than the vendor nation?

A mistake, if true, a big one..............
 
#24
I see a big 'get out of jail free card' looming

Perfect excuse to cancel JCA (which wouldnt by the way affect our industrial share of the booty because we are the only TIER 1 partner and have a £2billion receipt to prove it) and CVF
 
#25
meridian said:
I see a big 'get out of jail free card' looming

Perfect excuse to cancel JCA (which wouldnt by the way affect our industrial share of the booty because we are the only TIER 1 partner and have a £2billion receipt to prove it) and CVF
Or an opportunity for Milibanana/Aintworthit to grow a backbone.

Maybe Brown will hold an international conference on the issue (just to get his photo with Obama mind you!).
 
#26
Edited for mong double posting
 
#27
Having seen the complete and total horlicks we made of 'upgrading' 6 Chinook helicopters I don't think it is a bad idea at all if we left any 'updates' or 'upgrades' to the people who built the f@cking thing in the first place.

Given that we are buying less than 10% of the fleet being built I'm with the US on this one.

We (MOD) would just end up spunking money away.
 
#28
Of course they haven't got it - did anyone in our industry seriously think they were going to snaffle all that hard-won expertise off the Yanks for just 2 billion?

That's the sort of scam they've been pulling on the taxpayer for years. The Americans aren't as stupid as HM Govt and Mr UK Taxpayer!
 
#29
Cyberhacker said:
---Æ said:
then theres intergration of ASRAAM, Harpoon? ALARM?
And there is no chance the sceptics will add METEOR support - we would have to have done that ourself

And maybe brimstone.
Which is all very good, but lets be honest. With Op ENLIGHTENMENT and the COE, unless we can sell Fast Jets, Warships, and tanks to the Taliban et al, these systems are of very little use.
 
#30
Regarding the special relationship - doesn't the UK get more from it than the other way round - ie defence on the cheap?

And regarding our say in various matters, all other things being equal, a minority partner gets a limited say, that's the way it goes in other things eg business; the more you rely on others, the less autonomy & independence. What do people expect? Yet again, I have to admire the French with their own fighters and nuclear deterrent. There's no substitute for doing things off your own bat: 60 years ago we developed our own nuclear weapon after being refused help from the US and found ourselves somewhere to test them - again, after reluctance on their part.
 
#31
Dont worry there will be a Linux or cracked copy available to download off the Internet, a few months after they roll off the production line.
 
#32
Hi all,
why get your knickers in a knot over overpriced yank shit?Your boffins have more brains than you can poke a stick at.Turn them loose,let them dream up superior systems,there is no shortage of talent.There is,perhaps,a shortage
of confidence.A little courage would not go astray either.
Cheers
 
#33
KnightsofRowallan said:
Cyberhacker said:
---Æ said:
then theres intergration of ASRAAM, Harpoon? ALARM?
And there is no chance the sceptics will add METEOR support - we would have to have done that ourself

And maybe brimstone.
Which is all very good, but lets be honest. With Op ENLIGHTENMENT and the COE, unless we can sell Fast Jets, Warships, and tanks to the Taliban et al, these systems are of very little use.
You do realise that brimstone is being used on a daily basis? ... And that the Taliban isn't the only enemy we will face in the next 40 years? Jesus wept!
 

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#34
We should certainly bin the F35, if for no other reason than we can't afford it. Question is what to replace it with?

There's only two navalised fighters currently in production, the Rafale and the F18 with the Indian Tejas in development. In addition the RAF would need a replacement for the Harriers.

I can't see CVF being binned so someone at defence procurement is going to have to earn their money...
 
#35
johnel said:
Hi all,
why get your knickers in a knot over overpriced yank s***?Your boffins have more brains than you can poke a stick at.Turn them loose,let them dream up superior systems,there is no shortage of talent.There is,perhaps,a shortage
of confidence.A little courage would not go astray either.
Cheers
Damm good point. The £2 Billion potentally lost on this would have gone a fair way to a Harrier replacment After all, a lack of balls and brains in 1965 lost us this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_P.1154 and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_AW.681
 
#36
johnel said:
Hi all,
why get your knickers in a knot over overpriced yank s***?Your boffins have more brains than you can poke a stick at.Turn them loose,let them dream up superior systems,there is no shortage of talent.There is,perhaps,a shortage
of confidence.A little courage would not go astray either.
Cheers
You cannot let a boffin loose if he has already become so disillusioned with this shytehole of a country, he has buggered off the the USA already.

:x
 
#37
Have you not seen the pictures in Abbey Wood of the CVF with a ramp at the end of the deck?
 
#38
In all seriousness, do we require the source code? Surely it just opens the possibility of people messing the code up, as operational (eg - tested!) updates will be provided to customers (ala UK etc) anyway, as and when, to which this is sure to be included in the contract.

Look at how well we did with not buying the US software for the Chinooks, and attempting to use our own, or mess with the existing code...
 
#39
Ah, but if we risk letting our remaining boffins loose, they'll produce something better. And the US won't let that happen.... remember the TSR2? Better than F111, so Uncle Sam said drop it, or we take away your 'defence on the cheap' vis a vis instant sunshine.
 
#40
KnightsofRowallan said:
Having seen the complete and total horlicks we made of 'upgrading' 6 Chinook helicopters I don't think it is a bad idea at all if we left any 'updates' or 'upgrades' to the people who built the f@cking thing in the first place.

Given that we are buying less than 10% of the fleet being built I'm with the US on this one.

We (MOD) would just end up spunking money away.
Totally agree with this post. We might well have the boffins to carryout upgrades as required however no doubt there would be some daft SO1 somewhere sticking his oar in and fcuking it right up.
 

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